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posted by [personal profile] kalpurna at 05:51pm on 06/01/2009
Up until a little more than a year ago, I had never done anything in fandom which I regretted or which made me feel ashamed of myself.

I joined fandom when I was fifteen, almost by accident. Before I knew it fandom became my primary downtime activity, the source of dozens of real life friends. I wrote my senior paper in high school about fanfiction. I live with a fandomer. I am almost embarrassingly sincere and hyperbolic about the joy I find in fandom, the qualities I love best about it, its opportunities and the heights to which it can soar. I've watched the Organization for Transformative Works since it began with a sense that this is what we can achieve, this is what we have the incredible capacity to become. I love fandom with an abiding love.

In August 2007, I discovered bandflesh and lol_meme, in that order.

The ramifications of being anonymous are enormous. For someone like me, who gets anxious about posting comments anywhere, the anonymity freed me to say whatever I wanted whenever I wanted without fear of ever sounding stupid or insecure or disgusting or in any way abnormal. I could have hours and hours of internet interaction without ever feeling awkward or uncomfortable or concerned. It was absolutely intoxicating. When I was severely depressed I would spend literally all of my waking hours meming. I've spent 24 hour periods on the meme.

More and more as I talked to people on meme and bandflesh I found out what their fandom experience was like. Most of them had major problems with the way fandom is constructed, the social rules that rigidly shape it (don't be confrontational, don't be a jerk, don't piss in people's cheerios), the assumptions that come with it and which we so rarely question. A lot of them had never made meaningful connections with fellow members of fandom, or those connections had disappeared. When I asked, shocked by the tone of a conversation, if anyone regretted the people they'd lost from their flists switching fandoms, everyone essentially shrugged and said "nah."

Most people who have spent enough time on the meme have abandoned their livejournals entirely. The times I've been discussed on bandflesh, one of the major things people mentioned about me was that I'm much more involved in mainstream fandom than they are, and it wasn't a compliment.

What I never really understood until recently was how hard this choice was to avoid making.

I've posted before explaining a couple of the things I love about anonymity, but I never talked about the stuff I don't like. On meme and on bandflesh, what's funny and pithy and unambiguous always wins the argument. They're not optimistic about fandom - they're often flat-out antagonistic towards it. They almost never give someone they don't know the benefit of the doubt. They allow statements to pass without comment that I find revolting and simplistic and wrong (although not always - the power of the dogpile is notable).

When people think of the meme and bandflesh as being communities (hate-based or otherwise) which exist within fandom, they're seriously mistaken. The culture that's built up there is different from fandom in such basic ways that even when the two groups talk about the same things, they sound like they come from different planets.

For example, recently there was a post that made the wanky rounds on both meme and livejournal. On LJ, what happened is that people made cryptic allusions to it, and largely the annoyance expressed was concerning a perception that the original post was harshing on other people's choice of source material and being needlessly jerky about well-loved fandoms.

On meme, people linked to the post over and over, capslocking bluntly about what a jerk the person was for making it - but not because of the well-loved fandoms, which weren't mentioned at all, but because of the perceived hypocrisy of someone who primarily writes about white men suddenly deciding to complain about the treatment of women characters in her source material. The general attitude was "you're only noticing this now?"

Meme is where I go to complain about stuff that made me angry - fandom is where I go to talk about stuff that I love. Meme is where I am my most undiluted self - fandom is where I am the self that I want to present to others. Both of them are unbearably close to my heart. Both of them are part of who I am and got me through the darkest periods in my life and the most joyful.

And maybe I could have juggled those two things forever if it hadn't been for bandflesh.

For reasons of general disgust and disapprobation towards bandom, memers rarely visit bandflesh. Until after our one-year anniversary, livejournalers virtually never (to our knowledge) visited bandflesh. When I joined bandflesh there were, at generous estimate, about twenty people there.

It felt like an incredibly safe space. It felt, genuinely, like a small chat with people (memers) with virtually no fandom presence. I talked about flocked (fannish, never personal) material with the same bend in morals that I have sometimes applied to AIM chats and real life interaction - the sense that while I wasn't being strictly nice, I certainly wasn't doing anything worse than bitching with a friend about how another friend was acting. It was fun and freeing and no one would ever know about it, right? We weren't even on LJ! We were nobodies!

But unlike the meme, bandflesh had only one topic of discussion: bandom. It moved far slower than the meme, and instead of drawing people away from fandom, it began to codepend on it in a strange way. On meme, people talked about a fandom and then talked about something else. On bandflesh, people talked about fandom and then went to LJ and made communities and wrote fic and participated. People who had never before had livejournals became contributing members of fandom. And suddenly, shockingly, we discovered that we weren't as obscure as we thought we were. The stuff we said to each other wasn't only heard by each other. And the "small" violations of trust I had committed were actually enormous.

I was wrong and I will always have been wrong and I regret it deeply.

I have broken friendslock. I acted unforgivably and indefensibly. I hurt people I like and respect, and I behaved in ways which were, objectively, awful. It hasn't happened in a long time, and I don't intend to do it ever again, but there's no earthly reason anyone should believe me about that. I violated trust that was placed in me. It wasn't okay, and it wasn't some random anonymous person. It was me.

I should have remembered that no matter how much I later regret my actions and hope no one else remembers them, the internet does not forget. And to be honest, I don't forget.

I can say with confidence that this post is going to generate serious amounts of rancor on both the meme and bandflesh. It's going to hurt my anonymous experience and I will, from time to time, regret making it. But at this point, I've done so much to harm my lj fannish experience, and the community that has given so much to me - that changed my life, that shaped who I am - that I could not continue to dodge it. I owe everyone on my friendslist an apology. I was wrong, and I'm so, so sorry.

I will not be leaving bandflesh, and I won't be leaving meme, and I won't be deleting my LJ. Each of the three is so important to me that it would be like losing part of my heart. But I completely understand anyone who no longer wants to interact with me because of the way I've mishandled the relationship between the three.

I also won't be answering comments on this post for a bit, because now that I've made it I'm going to, uh, go hyperventilate in a dark room for a while. Okay.
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posted by [personal profile] fairestcat at 12:14am on 07/01/2009
*big, BIG hugs*

This was an incredibly brave post to make.

My own feelings on bandflesh -- as an outsider -- are extremely conflicted, in large part because of some of the good things I've heard you and others I care about say you get out of your presence there.

*loves you lots*

*won't be going anywhere*
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 05:48pm on 07/01/2009
Thanks, dude. You know your opinion means a lot to me. ♥♥

Mostly I wanted to make this post because I was getting more and more uncomfortable with the way people have been talking about bandflesh, on both sides, as so black and white - either it's AWFUL or we NEVER DO WRONG - and I do think it's, like most things, complicated. So I understand why your feelings are conflicted.
 
posted by [identity profile] canadiankracka.livejournal.com at 12:27am on 07/01/2009
*hands you a paper bag to breathe in and saves a hug for when you're ready*
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 05:49pm on 07/01/2009
Awww, thank you so much. ♥♥♥ I know you get dumped on, and it means a lot to me that you left a comment like this.
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posted by [identity profile] helleboredoll.livejournal.com at 12:34am on 07/01/2009
Dude, *hugs*

Balancing multiple aspects of a life can be difficult. I'm sorry that it's not always worked out quite right, but i do respect your need to have all three of these things. Take it easy on yourself even as you figure how to do right by everyone else too. You're an awesome fangirl and a fundamentally good and decent person; I'm sure you'll find a way to be true to both who you are and who you want to be.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 05:51pm on 07/01/2009
Ughh I love you so much, Hel.

It is difficult! And I suddenly realized I had never acknowledged anywhere that it is, and that I sometimes screw it up, and I owe the people I've met through fandom more than a pat answer about how they're making up problems in their mind that don't exist.

<333333 You are so sweet. Thank you.
 
posted by [identity profile] olivia-circe.livejournal.com at 12:37am on 07/01/2009
Hey, so, we don't really interact, except for having friends in common and possibly I met you once at a Hushies show? But I couldn't read something as brave and as honest as this without saying something.

I've never seen the attraction of anonymity, particularly - my relationship with fandom and the internet has always been the first one you mentioned, and I've never felt the need for any other. I've also maintained a strong position of neutrality on the subject of bandflesh for as long as I've known about it; it's not my scene, but it is the scene of people I like and care about, and while I suppose it has also hurt some people I like and care about, I've found myself really unable to pick a side. I don't know why, exactly, but maybe just because I've never been able to see things as "right" and "wrong" without complicated qualifiers.

The point, in any case, is that you've made the whole thing - the real appeal, the good and the bad, the risks and the failures, the problems - a lot clearer to me, in ways that I didn't expect. I'm grateful for that, for your clarity and your honesty. Of course this isn't a post about educating outsiders, but I hope you won't mind my saying that even though it probably wasn't your intention, I've taken something really positive from it - on a meta level that isn't really about you and your actions at all.

But also, whatever your actions - and however you feel about them - I want to say (although again as an outsider, so I don't know how much my opinion really counts) that I think this post does a pretty damn good job of showing that you are someone I, at least, would be proud to know.

Um. Sorry for the book. I'll just go back to lurking, now. But I hope you don't spend too long hyperventilating in the dark room. <3
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 06:01pm on 07/01/2009
Oh man, thank you so, so much for this comment.

There's a communication disconnect between lj-fandom and meme-based fandom that is gigantic. I read the posts in both places complaining about how unambiguously awful the other side is, and as someone who loves (and has problems with) both it's so frustrating. It's like two people trying to have a conversation in two different languages. And so knowing that I managed to do a tiny bit of translation is a hugely awesome thing to hear.

I think this post does a pretty damn good job of showing that you are someone I, at least, would be proud to know.

That's such a kind thing to say, thank you. It took a lot of arguing with myself to figure out that I wasn't going to stop feeling guilty until I apologized, but I had no idea how it would go over. It's so sweet of you to say that. <3
 
posted by [identity profile] giddygeek.livejournal.com at 12:56am on 07/01/2009
You need to make mistakes every now and again so that the power of your awesome doesn't unbalance the Earth, is all. <3
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 06:02pm on 07/01/2009
Ohhh, Giddy, you don't know how scared I was to say this stuff to you! I made Lea do it because I couldn't face it.
 
posted by [identity profile] beingothrwrldly.livejournal.com at 01:01am on 07/01/2009
I have lots and lots of very conflicted thoughts about bandflesh - as someone who has only skimmed occasionally, I can say that I have very...mild opinions, I guess, on both ends of the spectrum. A few of my closest friends are part of bandflesh, and they're wonderful, wonderful people; but at the same time, I've stumbled across some commentary and discussion over there that just does not mesh with those people at *all*. The anonymity, I think, is pretty much completely to blame; and I don't like it, but at the same time...idk, sometimes I feel like I'd act exactly the way people over there act, if my name wasn't attached to what I was saying. That freedom can be intoxicating; it's part of the reason I don't do anonymous memes like, ever, because I sometimes worry I would just...let go.

But regardless of whether I love bandflesh or hate it or whether I'm for it or against it or whether it's comprised of my friends or enemies, this is a very, very brave and honest post for you to make. Lately my general opinion of fandom and bandom and bandflesh, as a whole, has been very very negative - this post makes me feel better about the mindset behind the whole thing. Thank you for your honesty, even though I can't imagine how difficult this must've been - you're a wonderful person and I have a lot of respect for you for making this post. <3333 and hugshugshugs.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 06:10pm on 07/01/2009
The thing is, ninety percent of the time, most of the people on bandflesh (and especially the oldbies) are actively annoyed by those conversations. The grudge wank is incredibly boring and I usually have to go take a walk or meme for a while until it ends. But then every so often, like you said, the anonymity is this incredible temptation to, you know, say things that are grudgy and ridiculous. And I feel like it's such a dick move to pretend like that never happens, even when that's an easier answer.

Thank you so so much, Sarah. I can't tell you how much it means to have you say stuff like this. I was honestly expecting half my flist to book it after I posted this. <333333333 You are wonderful.
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posted by [identity profile] gigantic.livejournal.com at 01:04am on 07/01/2009
Another thing that happened to bandflesh in particular, is that it's become a go-to place for a lot of people to see the to-the-minute happenings in bandom, for better or for worse. New links and what not tend to get posted there pretty quickly, which seems like something that's grown as more people have found out about it and keeps it from ever becoming a small thing again (well, part of the reason why), and so I totally get how people who were used to just shenaniganating in a room full of twenty friends still see it that way and don't get what the rest of fandom gets up in arms about.

I don't know, man. To me, cliques are cliques are cliques, and most cliques aren't ever actually that different from one another except when it comes to in-jokes and where you draw the lines before you've gone too far with one topic or another. And people are going to touchy about things they feel excluded from, even with something like bandflesh, which is pretty openly and indiscriminately opt-in.

Errrr, which is the long and 'loves to let herself type' way of saying that I appreciate what it took for you to make this point, although I do hope you don't regret and/or beat yourself up about it too much, because I don't think you've done anything that can't be forgiven (if any one you know does get offended). I still think you're pretty fucking awesome even if it turns out you're flawed like the rest of us. :p
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 06:21pm on 07/01/2009
Ohhh, yeah, that is a completely great point. Back in the day, like, fall/winter 07, we used to joke a lot about how late everything was to hit LJ, because we had posted about it hours and hours ago. But when other people found out we existed, that gave them a good reason to stay even if they didn't like our style. And that is just a recipe for rancor.

Well, that's totally true. No large group of people ever gets far away from that kind of drama.

I really respect your opinion and I always think the stuff you say is so smart, so that means even more to me coming from you. Thank you so much.
 
posted by [identity profile] mmeguilotn.livejournal.com at 01:10am on 07/01/2009
I'm going to totally ignore the point of this post for a minute to point out that the reason I always forget how much younger you are than me is that you are probably one of the most articulate people I've met through fandom (or actually through anywhere, since fannish people tend to be disproportionately articulate). You seem to have so much to say that I think is worth sharing with a broader swath of fandom. I hope that the freedom you found in anonymity helps you feel more comfortable spending time out here with the rest of us.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 06:42pm on 07/01/2009
Awwww, what a sweet thing to say! Thank you. I really appreciate it, even if I never feel very articulate.
 
posted by [identity profile] eleanor-lavish.livejournal.com at 01:11am on 07/01/2009
I've never felt the sting of bandflesh personally, but as a friend of a few who have, I want to say thank you for this-- both for the heartfelt way you put it and (as olivia put it, so much better than I, as per usual) for the possibly unintentional clarification of a few points. It's a crazy internet world we live in, and sometimes it's hard to navigate. The joys of being human...

*hugs* Brave lady, keep your chin up!
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 06:46pm on 07/01/2009
Thank you so much. I think it must be so hard to understand why people would want to hang out in a place that can have such blunt antagonism, and anyone making the effort to try to understand means a lot to me.

*hugs back* Thank you!
 
posted by [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_audrey/ at 01:11am on 07/01/2009
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:28am on 14/01/2009
<3
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posted by [identity profile] dsudis.livejournal.com at 01:31am on 07/01/2009
*hugs or slides supportive notes under the door, as you prefer*

You are amazingly brave, and I think much tends to be forgiven people brave enough and humble enough to say something like you have tonight. Chin up.

Also, hey, it happens to everyone (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/).
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:29am on 14/01/2009
Oh man, Dira, I care so much about what you think. Thank you so so much for this comment. ♥♥♥
 
posted by [identity profile] jadziadrgnrdr.livejournal.com at 02:17am on 07/01/2009
This was very well said and I respect it. You know my opinion about bandflesh because some terrible things were said about me over there. On the one hand I was like "Fuck those cunts!" but on the other hand I was kinda awed that anyone knew me enough TO hate me or whatever so heh.

It taught me a valuable lesson though. Most of the people I interact with on lj are not my friends. They are people who I share a common fandom with and although I'm still going to talk loud and brassy whenever I like, it taught me the value of keeping some of my more serious, heartfelt shit to people on my f-list that I know and trust instead of blathering it into the ether.

I think anonomemes are cowardly and mean and the people who participate in them are small and sad. Having said that, have I gone on an anonomeme and chortled like a crazy person over each and every page? Snorting when someone or someone's fic that I dislike was maligned snarkily? You betcha! When I saw my own name dragged through anonymous mud by people who could have been on my f-list or just disgruntled randoms, I was hurt and suspicious and fucking pissed. I learned a lesson though. It was a lesson I should have known already but this time because it was taught in a visceral way, it was one that I won't forget. Now when I see adverts for anono memes love or hate, I don't even have any interest. As India Irie says, "There's a blessing in every lesson..."

When bandflesh got erased I had friends on my f-list who were angry who said it wasn't right and they had friends who were on it and got hurt. I wanted to bye whoever did it a goddamn beer. ... Still do actually because those friends of friends hurt others and have no intention of ever owning up to that and will continue to e-smile in peoples face as they reach around and stab them in the back. I think folks who do that deserve a kick in the teeth every now and again to remind them of why they like to kick faces so often.

We talked. I hope that since you specifically said that you had not broken my trust when that incident went down you meant it. I felt greatly relieved by what you said and it seemed sincere. All-in-all, though, it's not the worst thing for you to have done I suppose. Again, I learned a lesson in that.

I do wonder that now that you've gotten all of that off your chest but you still intend to participate in these communities if you are going to fall back into the pattern of doing all the things you confess to be shameful in this message ... but that's not for me to worry about. You are a cool girl. I enjoy your journal. I'm not going to pack up my marbles and go home. <3
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:35am on 14/01/2009
Yeah, I got hateshifted on like crazy the other night, so I do know how it feels! It can be very hard to think of fandom as a public space, because it feels so private - no one says bad stuff to your face. That's part of why anonymemes can be so shocking.

I didn't talk about you on bandflesh, although there's no way I can prove that. And I don't keep people on my flist who I don't like. Still, I kind of feel like me violating anyone's trust on my flist was me violating everyone's trust, you know? :/

Honestly, it's been a while since I did any of this stuff; posting it was more about being honest about my past than my present. So hopefully I won't fall back to making the same mistakes. Hopefully I'll move on to new, exciting, innovative levels of fuck up! :D
 
posted by [identity profile] kissingchaos9.livejournal.com at 02:46am on 07/01/2009
This was an insanely brave and articulate post, and I'm really proud of you for making it. I can't imagine how hard it must have been. ♥
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:36am on 14/01/2009
You are so unbelievably sweet and generous. I'm so glad to have met you. I'm luckier than I deserve sometimes. ♥♥♥
 
posted by [identity profile] emilyray.livejournal.com at 03:05am on 07/01/2009
Honey, I don't know that we've ever talked much, but I have thought you were awesome since you were the super cool lady from Due South and I was a lurker stalking fannish LJs in a faily fashion. And I think you're a good person, and I think you're a brave person, and what you've said here echoes - a lot of stuff I've been thinking about over the last week. (Except said in a way smarter and more articulate fashion, dude.)

I'm not in bandflesh anymore. I am gonna miss it lots - it's been a huge and mostly happy part of my fannish life for the last six months or so - but I've reached the conclusion that I'm just really pretty bad at juggling it with LJ fandom (and with RL - I didn't realize how much time I was spending hitting F5 until I stopped and now I have all this free time I don't know what to do with! I might actually pass my degree after all!) I don't think there really is any completely comfortable way to be a flesher and a member of bandom on LJ short of only really talking to other fleshers and/or people who have never been hurt or had friends upset by it (that seems to be ruling out quite a lot of people lately), which... I don't want to do. I like talking to people. One of the things I liked best about bandflesh was that I felt like I could talk to anyone and everyone there.

I think the problem is that there's too much overlap between the two worlds. Memeing and LJ are completely different kinds of fannish experience, with completely different characters, as you said, and they really don't understand each other very well - which is fine when they don't have any real links to each other, but bandflesh and LJ bandom are incredibly closely linked, and I think the closeness makes for some serious misunderstandings and mistrust. I have spent way too much time lately going D: why can't we all just get along and love each other? at my computer screen, and wanting to be angry with people who make blanket declarations about how evil bf is, and wanting to be angry with people who insist that everyone who's upset is just epically lol sensitive. I don't think either's true.

This comment is getting pretty tl;dr. I guess what I want to say is I admire and appreciate you lots and I think your brain is pretty neat. I wish I knew you better. Don't spend too long hyperventilating. ♥
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:43am on 14/01/2009
Awwww, thank you so so much.

I haven't been spending so much time on bandflesh lately, maybe for different reasons than you - I feel like it's changed so drastically that it makes me angry to be there and remember the past. But yeah, you're right. It's been an incredible part of my bandom experience, because there's no secret chasms there, no past, just conversation.

I think the problem is that there's too much overlap between the two worlds.

Yeaaahh. I agree with this comment a whole lot. It seems so obvious in retrospect that that was going to end badly, huh? But somehow I never realized until it was too late that there wasn't going to be an easy way to bring my memeish life into my fannish life. They're so different, and bandflesh is neither and both at the same time. Managing that boundary is so fucking hard.

 
posted by [identity profile] jocondite.livejournal.com at 03:42am on 07/01/2009
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:43am on 14/01/2009
♥!
 
posted by [identity profile] wordsalone.livejournal.com at 06:01am on 07/01/2009
Thanks for being honest and for being brave enough to post this.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:44am on 14/01/2009
Thank you. It means more than I can say that people read this and didn't just cut ties instantly.
 
posted by [identity profile] daydreambeleevr.livejournal.com at 06:28am on 07/01/2009
I appreciate the courage it must have taken to make this post. It's scary to say, "hey, know what? I fucked up.".

I've been seeing more and more posts on my flist regarding stuff going down on bandflesh. I'm fortunate not to be too closely involved, I've never even posted there, so I'm not familiar with their rules. Personally, I'm not a big fan of places that allow a person to retain their anonymity. I've never seen it used without it turning cruel and hurtful. It's like because people wont know who they are they can say anything they please, and therefor aren't held accountable for their criticisms. If, on the other hand, bandflesh was helping get lurker type posters comfortable coming out into the open (sorta) I can see a benefit.

What ever the case, I take what you're saying here as straight from the heart. It can't have been easy for you to do, and if as you say you'll be catching fallout over it, then I'm sorry. good luck!
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:47am on 14/01/2009
Yeah, but at the same time, it feels so much better than knowing in your heart you fucked up and trying to keep it secret, you know?

Anonymity is reeally complicated, and I don't even think I understand all the ramifications yet, and I've been doing it for a while. But certainly people are more blunt and harsh and fearless there than they are on LJ - which isn't necessarily a problem, until the barrier between those two spaces breaks down.

Thank you so much. It means a lot to me that you left this commment. ♥
 
posted by [identity profile] shihadchick.livejournal.com at 07:41am on 07/01/2009


what Hel said - exactly, exactly what Hel said, from me, too.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:48am on 14/01/2009
Ugh, you are both so much better friends than I deserve. ♥♥♥♥
 
posted by [identity profile] bluefuzzyelf.livejournal.com at 07:54am on 07/01/2009
Oh, bb! *HUGS* I'm an outsider to bandflesh (I'm still not entirely certain what it is) and I admittedly don't know what you're talking about, but I still love you!
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:48am on 14/01/2009
Awww, thank you so much. <3 You are so sweet to say so. *hugs back*
 
posted by [identity profile] magdalyna.livejournal.com at 08:27am on 07/01/2009
*hugs*

This was brave.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:49am on 14/01/2009
*hugs back* Thank you so much.
 
posted by [identity profile] luciamad.livejournal.com at 08:37am on 07/01/2009
I've been seeing several of these posts pop up today, but this is definitely the most interesting. The way bandflesh comes across as having almost an Animal Farm element especially. Curious and fascinating read. I'm glad you decided to post.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:50am on 14/01/2009
Trying to control things that grow faster than you predicted is very very weird. Thank you, I'm glad you liked the post.
 
posted by [identity profile] neverneverfic.livejournal.com at 09:09am on 07/01/2009
I'm glad you made this post. I could make a whole tl;dr comment about it, but it feels unnecessary. You have pretty clearly elucidated a lot of the ways I am conflicted about bandflesh and meme. Thank you for that.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:52am on 14/01/2009
I was kind of tired of pretending it's not complicated, because it really really is. Thank you for this comment! ♥
 
posted by [identity profile] jamjar.livejournal.com at 06:36pm on 07/01/2009
I'm glad that you made this post, I'm glad that you got -and are getting something from the different corners of fandom, and that even when what you get are mistakes or regrets, you can still get admit, acknowledge and accept-- and then gain and grow from those as well.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:55am on 14/01/2009
I finally remembered that the best thing to do when you screw up is realize that you did and try and get something out of that, if you can. Thanks for the comment. ♥
 
posted by [identity profile] toswimand-live.livejournal.com at 10:48pm on 07/01/2009
this has nothing to do with this post, but I sent you a lj message :)
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:56am on 14/01/2009
Did you get that figured out? Sorry for the lag, but none of us remembered the password for the community moderator.
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posted by [identity profile] anansigirltoo.livejournal.com at 01:02am on 08/01/2009
*hugs*

I don't know very much at all about bandflesh. What I do know is that every single person makes mistakes on occasion, but very few will have the guts to stand up and own their mistakes like you have here. This is an incredibly brave post to be making right now. *applauds*

I'm glad you're not deleting your lj, btw. You seem pretty awesome :)
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:58am on 14/01/2009
Thank you so so much. I'm really grateful that you think so!
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