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Guys, after another 11 hour car ride, I am HOME. And fully connected to the internets once more. \o/

shoemaster, email me about that thing if you're around?

On the way home, we listened to a book on tape that must have been written in the seventies or something, and oh my lord the SEXISM! It was pretty crazy rampant. The "villain" was this "frigid, virginal" social worker with "ice-blonde hair" whom we were supposed to both pity, for her sorrowful naiveté about the Real World, and despise, for her inability to cook and/or respond properly to our (smarmy, disguisting) hero's advances. UGH. I think my favorite part was when "Daddy" (the Virgin's father) wondered with Our Hero whether the reason women are incapable of cooking on a charcoal grill was A) their innate inability to keep from meddling with a good thing or B) a vast conspiracy to "make men do their cooking for them". AAAAAAARGH *WASHES OUT BRAIN*

The most ridiculous thing about the whole experience was that in between listening to this tape, I was reading bits of Ardhanarishvara part 13 which I had printed out for the car ride. So it was like gender politics table tennis: a bit of fascinating exploration of sexual identity, a bit of misogynist tough guy police drama.

Also,

mina_de_malfois is rocking my fucking socks off. *draws hearts* Other things that own my life lately: Saved by the Bell Quote of the Day; Joe Flanigan (SHOCKING); this random Sentinel chan by

cesperanza; Alien!Clark recs by

svmaria; the All CW All The Time Kink/Cliché Challenge (especially this UTTERLY SILLY popslash AU);

mutecornett's fantastically fascinating artist recs.

And I was thinking about femmeslash, after talking to

joandarck, as in I should write some? But I can't think of any pairings off the top of my head that interest me. Hmmm. *taps fingers thoughtfully*

Uhm, there's probably more but I'm too tired to think of it. I'm going to BED. Laters!

ETA: In other news, I lose at life. See this exchange for evidence.

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Hm, I was just wondering about the existence fo Maggie/Thatcher the other day. And email is so sent, I check rather obsessively at work, though I may not be able to respond as readily, tomorrow. But breaks and lunch and stuff.

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Awesome! I am seriously going to sleep um any second now I can stop reading LJ whenever I want shut up. But tomorrow! PLANS!

Hmmm, Maggie/Thatcher! Interesting! I definitely am intrigued by the possibilities of Thatcherslash. There's Frannie/Thatcher, too... "You're touching me."

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Just the idea of spending 11 hours in a car fills me with woe and despair. Am very glad you're back.

My response to that audio book as interpreted through emoticons and asterisked action: o_0 *pause, then stab* :D

I think that exchange means you win. Anything that can make me laugh that hard must be of the good.

it was HIGHLY woeful. *face of pathos*

I could not even decide whether to stab or laugh because it was just SO over the top ridiculous, you know? But, mostly stab.

Yay! I win! Laughing at me or with me, it is PRETTY MUCH the same thing. Laughter is, as you say, of the good! \o/

But no link to the Fast and the Furious story was provided!!! This makes me gnash my teeth and cry!

Aww, poor baby! here (http://slashfanfiction.com/viewstory.php?sid=19509) you go. And this (http://thisisbone.livejournal.com/32394.html) is its companion piece. HOT.

Oooo. I liked the long series right before that too. Ah, that old gleeful feeling. Thank you!

I STILL cannot believe I got it confused with due South, though. Jesus.

They are kind of near opposite ends of the classy spectrum, aren't they? But that story has the same concepts you see in a lot of Due South fic, I can see how you could mix them up.

Oh, god, I love Fast and the Furious. So. BLATANT.

Hee, the classy spectrum! I like that idea. So that would make Battlestar Galactica, like, a 10, whereas One Tree Hill or something would be a 0?

Welcome back! Hope you had a blast. 12 days til my vacation. *whimper*

Hey, should I read Ardhanarishvara? The pairings info deters me. I like Rodney/John or Rodney/Ronon (but not both in one story) and I can't stand threesomes/moresomes. Thoughts? Advice? Tell me to get lost? ;-)

I totally did! It is good to be home, though, you know? The best part of going away... /platitudes

GET LOST LOSER. :P

But for reals I think that yes, you totally should. See, I am a total OTPer, and I cannot even DEAL with the idea of two (or MORE) overlapping pairings in the same story usually, but this one is just SO good and SO interesting that I think it's worth it, even with the ambiguity. And so far, there hasn't been threesome shipping, which yeah, I hate too. Basically what I'm saying is: they haven't hit that button for me so far, and I'm willing to keep reading, even with the risk that they might do so eventually, because it is just that good. Hope that helped? Never be reluctant to ask me that kind of question; it's something I obsess about too!

Oh man, Ard is so much fun. I think Auburn (and her co writers) handle multi-pairings/threesomes more somes really well. Have you read Three Fates? Because that rocks my fucking socks off, as well. All 160,000 words of it. *sigh*

No, haven't read that one. I'm really turned off by the pairings. I'm sure it's really good, but I just can't bring myself to read it. Still not sure about Ard. Doesn't sound like something I'd like either.

Well, all I'm saying is that I do have those same buttons as you, and this hasn't pushed them. *shrug* I hesitated for a while too; it's up to you. It's not like there isn't PLENTY of awesome pure John/Rodney out there if you decide this isn't your thing!

WOW. Sorry I was total bitchcakes yesterday. I was studying for a test and was in a bad mood. *meep*

>:D< worry not. I was a bit meebly about the threesome nature of 3Fates, but really, there's more John/Rodney/Atlantis than there is John/Rodney/Elizabeth. (I think this made me have a weird dream about Rodney/Ronon/Chuck/John? last night.... *is a weirdo*)

I wouldn't say no to (ie I would fall with scary enthusiasm on) a bit of Frannie/Elaine. It's a crime that they were only on screen together for ten minutes. (OMG. Cop!Frannie/Elaine supply-closet sex. It's not like Fraser and Ray need it post-CotW.)

I wrote pre-cop Frannie/cop Elaine supply closet sex once!
But it was very, very bad.
Very bad.
So bad.

Go on, where is it? (Is it in your sidebar? I can't look till I get home.)

It is actually the only story that I was so embarrassed about that not only did I take it down, I removed it from the sidebar. So no one would ever know. It was erased from history. As if it had never been.

So I probably shouldn't go around mentioning it to people. Brain-glitch!

YUMMM. I could definitely go for that.

And I was thinking about femmeslash, after talking to [info]joandarck, as in I should write some? But I can't think of any pairings off the top of my head that interest me.

And THAT is the problem in a nutshell, if you ask me. It's hard to find good femslash because it's hard to find good potential f/f pairings in media. And if you feel like you're forcing it, it doesn't work.

I know! Although actually, Due South is being surprisingly helpful in this. I could actually see Thatcher/Frannie, Frannie/Elaine, Thatcher/Maggie... actually, Thatcher/anyone. Thatcher and Frannie could both be pretty gay in my mind.

Thatcher, totally. Elaine too. Frannie I guess there's the over-compensation argument, especially since her chosen crush object is totally hopeless. Still, I would have said I couldn't see it, except for

sageness' wonderful Frannie/Thatcher AU thing - that sold me hard.

Yeah, it's the over-compensation that gets me, maybe. It's just, this is a woman who has been CONSTANTLY let down by men. She has a crazy, unrealistic crush, puts one man on a pedestal while thinking of the rest as scum... She's constantly chasing after an ideal married heterosexual dream life that at some point, she's going to realize doesn't actually exist. To me, that's pretty classically slashable behavior.

You know, I read a story once where she'd had some kind of cute Catholic school girl-thing and had to get over it. Or, no, maybe it was Ma Vecchio? (I think it was also a Ray/Fraser slash story, which always feels a little silly to me, like, how many people in your family are gay exactly? How do you keep passing those genes on then?) But the idea was sweet. And Frannie's deliberately obtuse enough that she could totally not even realize she was barking up the wrong tree.

I think that was Ma Vecchio. Although, you know, I could maybe see that with Frannie too.

Hey, at least some people claim that being gay *might* be genetic. No one claims that being gay runs in a specific military expedition, like all those fics where EVERYONE ON ATLANTIS is fucking someone of the same gender. WTF?

That's it in a nutshell. Out of all the characters I know, Frannie's maybe the best suited to suddenly realize she has all this time been obdurately pursuing the totally wrong path in romantic relationships.

No one claims that being gay runs in a specific military expedition, like all those fics where EVERYONE ON ATLANTIS is fucking someone of the same gender. WTF?

Haha! Oh, I do hate everybody's-gay stories. To me that undermines the slash by making it just - oh, just reversing everything to backwardsland, so none of it's real, instead of forcing the straight world to have gay IN it, which is more what I'm into, I guess.

I have seen a *few* not impossible scenarios though - like in The Professionals, Cowley handpicked his team and has little to no supervision. The argument that a closeted queer operative would be more likely to give others more of a chance makes some sense. And even that he might assign them to each other as partners since he knew they wouldn't bother each other, although I'd think the danger of their hooking up and breaking up spectacularly might outweigh the benefits. /end digression But even if you can sell me on the scenario, I'm not sure I'm interested.

Out of all the characters I know, Frannie's maybe the best suited to suddenly realize she has all this time been obdurately pursuing the totally wrong path in romantic relationships.

Yeah... Frannie can have just about any mental hiccup and not go OOC. Whereas if Thatcher or Elaine liked women, they'd know it already, and either be discreet about or not do anything about it, for career reasons.

Yeah, I guess it's not THAT impossible, but I do think, as you say, it's pretty boring. On the other hand, it's one of those things that I can very easily block myself from noticing if I like a story in other ways. It's just that when I DISlike a story, noticing that EVERYONE IS GAY pushes me right over the edge.

What you said. Thatcher and Elaine are just WORLDS more self-aware than Frannie.

Yay for home and internets and all that!

And, okay, yes, the book on tape sounds rather disturbing in many ways, but, um, mostly? OMG, thank you for the link because I hadn't checked Ard in about a week and oh, glory. Heh.

And you should absolutely write femslash because I too am dying for some good stuff, so. Yes.

*pets you encouragingly*

OMG it is SO GOOD. And did you see part 14 (http://auburnnotlisa.livejournal.com/8526.html#cutid1) is up? And part 15 is coming soon? *dances*

The consensus seems to be that I should do it. Now, to hunt down the muse...

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