So, general consensus seems to be that the lemon thing on SG1 = HILARIOUS ANTICS! Uhm, or, alternatively, that it = a deep and lasting betrayal of Rodney by John, in a horrible attempt to get an in with the cool crowd (Mitchell).
Interesting.
See, to me? This echoes a whole lot of other fandramas, in that it really depends on how you choose to look at the show.
There are two basic ways, to my mind, to approach events within a TV show, and people tend to blend these to varying degrees. The first is to look at stuff within the context of the show's attitude: assume that facts are colored by the way the characters and narrative seem to react to those facts. The second is to look at stuff within the context of the larger world: what do WE, as viewers, know about these facts, in our own lives, and how then should we interpret the show. Again, I'm pretty sure you have to have at least SOME of both going on in order to appreciate television as entertainment. But when different fans have different mixes, then things get a little crazed.
Uhm, I'm being totally incoherent and technical, aren't I. OK, I'll try giving some examples – from Buffy, just for laughs.
Let's take the plural of apocalypse.
Within the context of real life, if someone said the world was ending, you might very well PISS YOUR PANTS. This would be a huge. fucking. deal. And yet, on Buffy, imminent mass destruction is met with a quip and a cute hair toss. And we couldn't appreciate the show at all if we didn't accept that as BuffyReality. So us fans, we're used to that. We can cope with a false gloss on reality, because it rings true in other ways. Fine.
But some things aren't as easy to accept. For instance? Let's take Spike.
Spike was, canonically, an unrepentant mass murderer. THIS IS TRUE. And yet, the show portrayed him as a charismatic, interesting, sexy, nerdy person who wasn't that bad a guy. Mischievous, bastardly, an asshole, sure. But an actual fucked up psychopath? Come on. RARELY. And so fandom became somewhat divided between people who said OMG, guys, he's a serial killer, and people who said BUT HE'S REAL CUTE. (Just to be clear? I fall in the latter camp.) And the SHOW encouraged us to have that problem, by using two different levels of storytelling to convey two different layers of information. It was a problem. You could either believe the character you were told about, and occasionally saw glimpses of, or you could believe the character you saw living his life.
This whole lemon thing is an issue, to my mind, mainly because too many of us have outside information on how serious food allergies can be. And you know what? If what we are told in canon – that Rodney "is deathly allergic to citrus" – is true, then what John did is unbelievably cruel and out of line. That shit is fucked up.
But that's not what the rest of the show is telling us. The rest of the show, the part that isn't straight-up, real world verifiable facts, is telling us that everyone laughs about this. Rodney laughs about this. And there really isn't that much canon support for Rodney being genuinely fucking freaked about having maybe eaten citrus. He just doesn't act like a guy with death lurking in every meal. He's way too banter-y about it. There's just no way I buy that within this show, a citrus allergy is something around which to build a betrayal. It's not that the angry fen are wrong! It's just that, well, we're looking at a different set of data.
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In Due South, I have an easy time going with show-reality - I'm happy to view everything as lightly as possible, except when they don't want us to, as in Victoria's Secret - while in Buffy it bugs me a lot more, but whatever.
Re: SGA, I'm just curious, is it canon that Rodney *actually* has a serious citrus allergy? Because so far I've seen one quick throwaway line about it that could easily have been a joke. But everyone's so sure about it that it seems like they must have gone back to it later.
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And I agree about Buffy being a harder pill to swallow; Due South and SGA are both pretty much happy places for me, and I'm a lot more willing to handwave in those fandoms. Hah, not to mention that in both SGA (the "science") and DS (the "magical realism"), you can't get BY without handwaving a little.
Canon!Rodney doesn't seem to actually have a serious allergy judging by his ACTIONS, but there have been quite a number of references to it *verbally*.
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Hang on a mo...let me rummage about the 'net.
Ah HA!
CARTER
As a matter of fact, I do. Now what we need to do is find a way to establishing an event horizon without the vortex.
McKAY
'S impossible.
CARTER
I've seen it done before.
McKAY
Not by magical fairy beans...
(to the server)
Is there lemon on the chicken?
SERVER
It's lemon chicken.
McKAY
Huh! So it is. I'm mortally allergic to citrus. One drop of lemon and I could die. I'll have whatever that is.
(to Carter)
Gotta be very careful.
[They sit at a table where McKay starts wolfing his food.]
If I wasn't years and years behind watching SG:1, I probably woulnd't have remembered that moment from Season 5. As it is, I watched it 2 weeks ago. :)
Full Transcript here (http://www.stargate-sg1-solutions.com/wiki/index.php/5.14_%2248_Hours%22_Transcript#Transcript).
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I think this is brilliant. I do have a lot of trouble with this show vs. real world context problem when it comes to SGA. Not with the interaction between John and Rodney, because I've seen enough men* who were great friends be dicks to one another for me to accept that this is just how some show their love. :) But the numerous ethical issues sometimes make me wish I could forget about the real world and just accept the framework of the show for an hour a week.
* I originally mis-typed this as "mean", which I suppose is appropriate.
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WHAT??
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My thought exactly. The show has given us so much f*d up canon and you concentrate on the Lemon?
Also, John's face when he hands over the lemon...funny. Sue me! *g*
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I mean, don't get me wrong; I do think it's lame that they treat food allergies as hilarious hypochondria. But... *this* is what gets your backs up, fen?
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Like I said, context is key and the writers never give us the one bit of information needed to place it specficially, they only give, what you were talking about, universal information.
Only, I just don't actually beleive the writers often think that hard about their narrative. *koff* that's neither here nor there.
So the argument comes in without any clear place of start and that's where all the different readings are coming from.
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WHAT? SG writers don't sit around for hours and hours without food or sleep, desperately revising tiny details of their character dynamics? I don't have to listen to this crazy talk.
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ITA about the show's-attitude/real-world split cutting across all kinds of fandoms. It can only be exacerbated by the observable fact that most TV people don't let their brains get out much. Thus, for instance, the SGA writers can use "talks about his food allergies" as character-shorthand to show that Rodney is self-involved and overdramatizing, because that's what "food allergies" are code for in their world.
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Thus, for instance, the SGA writers can use "talks about his food allergies" as character-shorthand to show that Rodney is self-involved and overdramatizing, because that's what "food allergies" are code for in their world.
I think that is right on the money. Just... exactly. Yes.
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Oh, yes yes yes - esp. here in L.A., where expressing one's diva-hood through obscure food taboos is canon as well. And I read both the lemon bit *and* the herb bit in Irresistible as basically alpha-guy behaviour - teasing between equals - because the guys I grew up with would absolutely have done that kind of thing to each other. Which I think reflects the writers' culture, if not necessarily Atlantis'.
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OMG, there must be an Rodney icon out there with "DIVA" on it. There MUST. The world could not be so cruel as to not contain that icon.
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That is so true. There are times I don't think most of fandom understands guys. I've seen it in so many different fandoms.
I took the whole sharing the lemon thing with Mitchell as maybe not the most thoughtful thing to do, but so not a world is coming to an end (or friendship is coming to an end in this case) apocolyptic moment.
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