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posted by [personal profile] kalpurna at 12:25am on 23/08/2006
You know what I need? I need an icon of boobs. Also, one of girls kissing. And maybe one that says LESBIANS! Anyone got any hot tips?

So here's the thing about Due South fandom. Interacting with people in it? Almost inevitably makes me feel better. Happier, more excited, more up. And a huge part of that is the way we talk to each other, the way we frame things; people in DS fandom (and I'm thinking specifically here of people like [livejournal.com profile] brooklinegirl and [livejournal.com profile] estrella30 and [livejournal.com profile] joandarck, but it really is all over) GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to make posts and comments that are friendly and self-deprecating. I have seen [livejournal.com profile] brooklinegirl respond to totally wacko comments from random people just as cheerfully and encouragingly as she does to, well, her friends. (This is a little embarassing to admit, but when I first started getting comments in my lj, I actually went over to her lj to try and figure out how to answer them.) If we have any doubt about a correction we're pointing out in the comments for a fic, or we don't know the author very well, or whatever, we specifically frame it in a way that's very:

I loved this! It was fantastic and creative and [this line] blew me away. One thing: this might just be my [wacky British spelling/ lack of grammar skills/ general cluelessness], but I think there's an error [here].

Which, Jesus. SUCH a difference from some comments I've seen in SGA and HP fandom, where people will jump down your fucking throat at the slightest provocation. It makes me so fucking tense to interact with most of those people (and, God, disclaimercakes: there are totally rational awesome people in EVERY fandom. I generalize like whoa.) But most of the time, I come away from conversations in other fandoms with tension in my neck and shoulders. I had a totally casual, normal conversation with an HP fan I'd never talked to today, and it just completely burned me out.

Anyway, there's obviously many reasons those fandoms are wankier than DS is, but I think that at least a certain amount of it comes from a carelessness with language.

The language geek part of me is really intrigued by what DS fandom does linguistically; there's a ton of markers that we put onto our LJ writing to convey a certain amiability and openness. I mean, I've been IMing and writing emails since I was a wee thing, and I can't even count the number of times I've inadvertently started a fight or taken offense at stuff that would never have been a problem in real life, because of the lack of a million verbal and physical clues we use to add subtlety to our everyday conversation. But online, that's all missing. So the fact that I am really, really rarely offended or hurt or put off by something a DS fan has written? Is pretty fucking impressive. (I tried to make a list of markers once, but then I looked down at my paper, which had this written on it:

\o/
CAPS
pretty

And, uhm, I stopped.

And there was going to be more on this post about our general assumptions about people, and our attitude towards newbies, and comments, and the whole Canada fangirling thing, and some other stuff, but I am tired and the language thing kind of burned me out. SO. That was me being off-topic.

Yeah, I fangirl fandoms.
Mood:: 'geeky' geeky
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posted by [identity profile] shoemaster.livejournal.com at 05:12am on 23/08/2006
But it's a fandom that deserves fangirling, at least at this stage. I think the Ray wars would've scared me, but now we're the perkiest mellow a fandom can be, I think.

And oh man, language. My friend [livejournal.com profile] hermionemalfoy likes to say fic is the reason her SAT verbal score went up 150 points. I've learned all sorts of words like inchoate and onanism (:>) and uh, others. *hijacks your discussion* The other day I was reading a fic and it had spiky in it. As in, spiky Ray. (Dief POV) and I thought somebody missed a huge error, cause I was like 'uh dude, it's spikey but the internet tells me I am wrong and I'm SO GLAD I checked before I said anything. I'm still looking at spiky like it's pronounced 'spicky' and my world is pretty much rocked but I just... THE LONG I COMES FROM THE E!!!!!

...Good thing I'm pretty, huh? And how porny are we talking, iconwise? Because getty probably has some good girl/girl and boobie pictures that could be icon-ed.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 05:26am on 23/08/2006
I just, I love it so. <333

I don't think it's increased my formal writing skills that much, if only because I'm a huge geek who was reading Dickens when I was eight omg shut up. But fandom has definitely had an effect on the fluidity and creativity of my writing. I mean, I honestly think that stuff like [livejournal.com profile] helenish's punctuation and dialogue, and [livejournal.com profile] eliade's descriptions and pacing, and [livejournal.com profile] astolat and [livejournal.com profile] cesperanza's use of plot and character development, is some of the best and most creative writing in the world right now. Published or nonpublished.

I am VERY OPEN to porny icons! Maybe none with cocks on them. But boobies? Hells yes! /is subjugated by the patriarchy
 
posted by [identity profile] the_antichris.livejournal.com at 05:41am on 23/08/2006
I went to a work training thingy the other day, and they were smacking people down for having a 'too deferential' style of communication, and all I could think was... so it's wrong to be nice now? Deferential's the wrong word, it's just making an effort, thinking about how things come across as well as the point you want to make (even more important in fandom, because the conversations ARE the space we live in, so making an effort is also taking care of our discussion space), and that's what DS fandom's so good at. ...which is just what you said already. *fangirls with you*

(replying to [livejournal.com profile] shoemaster because 'perkiest mellow' is the best phrase I've read all day)
 
posted by [identity profile] shoemaster.livejournal.com at 05:47am on 23/08/2006
It's like, if we were those people that just hug EVERYONE? Yeah, we're them on a lot of marijuana. "Heyyyyyyyyy dude. We LOVE YOU like thissssssssssssss much. Totally."

/Allison's impression of fandom as a whole

And uh, here! Have some lesbians. Image Image Image

What I need to do is make caps, cause I want to make Loz a dead!Bob icon (in exchage for the ones she made for like her entire flist) and I dunno, just more dS icons.

 
posted by [identity profile] joandarck.livejournal.com at 06:14am on 23/08/2006
OMG. [livejournal.com profile] kalpurna? [livejournal.com profile] shoemaster? Can I please please share one of these? I have no f/f goodness whatsoever and ... um... \o/ CAPS pretty?
 
posted by [identity profile] shoemaster.livejournal.com at 06:16am on 23/08/2006
Have at thee, unless [livejournal.com profile] kalpurna wants to fight you for them. (CAGE MATCH!)
 
posted by [identity profile] joandarck.livejournal.com at 06:22am on 23/08/2006
GIRLFIGHT! In our BRAS! I'm in - kal?
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 05:31pm on 23/08/2006
I will take you down, bitch.

of course you can have them! Lesbians are for SHARING!
 
Just horning in here to be all - Allison! Those are so, SO pretty!

*admires*

And, Kal - couldn't agree more about your post, because, yes, and god, I love this fandom, because for the most part people are so so careful to not be misinterpreted and just... yay. Feeling the love. And "disclaimercakes" is totally the best thing I've read in AGES.

Also, some girl-kissing/boobsyaye! type icons, should you desire any:

Image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/78257492@N00/222819887/)
...and, damnit, apparently i made these before i had ps and thus can't just take the text off for you. but, you know, just in case you want more options!

Image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/78257492@N00/222819880/)
the text on this is actually from the Breast Cancer Awareness campaign a few years ago - it's Maori for "power/respect to the titties of the Land"

and, um, the other two i had are pretty... naked. so maybe not, heh.

(Also, because I suck and cannot remember from FandomChats - how do you prefer to be refered to in your LJ?)
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Yay girlkissing and boobs! OMG that Maori translation is hilarious. I am so rich in lesbians and their assets now!

Uhm, I'm easy! You can go with Kal, or Hannah (which is my real name). For a while I was going by Emma, because I wasn't sure if my fandom and RL emails were going to be separate, and my last name is pretty rare, so I'm (as far as I know) the only Hannah Myrealname in the world. But now, no one in my real life would be shocked to find this journal, and I have separate emails anyway, and... yeah, way too much information. But Kal or Hannah, both are good.

Yay lesbians!
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 05:24pm on 23/08/2006
YAY LESBIANS! \o/ These are fantastic! Hooray!
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 05:31pm on 23/08/2006
Just, exactly! And it's funny, because in real life, especially in debate/classroom settings, I'm pretty verbally aggressive and argumentative. But online, you have so much less room (or reason!) to be borderline-mean. I mean, hi! It's fandom! Why would you not make it the most fun place it can be?

(even more important in fandom, because the conversations ARE the space we live in, so making an effort is also taking care of our discussion space)

OMG YES. I don't understand why other fandoms just, not to be crude, piss in their drinking water. It's so counter-productive! I don't get it!
 
posted by [identity profile] nos4a2no9.livejournal.com at 09:59am on 23/08/2006
I'm new to the fandom, but I have to agree - it's been great so far. Everyone has been very positive and upbeat, and the quality of what's been posted in terms of fic, vidding, etc is constantly blowing me away. Even if I didn't love the show I'd probably stick around just for the great stories and wonderful interactions with other fans. I think it's safe to say, there are very few fandoms that would make a person who doesn't even like the original source material hang in there for the fen.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 05:49pm on 23/08/2006
God, it is so great. And it's not like I don't adore the canon, because it is fantastic? But I was hooked on DS fandom long before I got to see the source. The people, the fic, the vids... the canon could have been Sentinel-shitty, and I would have stuck around.
 
posted by [identity profile] joandarck.livejournal.com at 03:38am on 24/08/2006
Hey, I resent that!

Oh, wait, no I don't.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 04:25am on 24/08/2006
honey, the truth hurts.
 
posted by [identity profile] brooklinegirl.livejournal.com at 10:51am on 23/08/2006
*beams* You have just TOTALLY made my day! oh, I LOVE our fandom! We have the most fun ever, and it's just - god, it's the most CANADIAN of fandoms, in the DS sense of being polite and open-minded and having free health-care SMART, you know? I am so happy you find it so very happy and yay, and heeeeeeee, regarding the thing about comments. I'd love to say I do it on purpose, but I am just a happy girl, and NOTHING makes me happier than getting comments. Even wacky ones. *grins*

god, you have me totally head-over-heels happy with my fandom, moreso than even before. Yay.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 05:58pm on 23/08/2006
YAY! I am so thrilled you enjoyed it! \o/ we win at fandoms. And it is so true that when I get a comment that leaves me all " ...," or even a nice comment that I just don't know what to say in response, I go over and see what YOU did. WWBLGD? Even if it is a natural gift, I am still impressed.

Our fandom = the best. ♥ ♥
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posted by [identity profile] ifreet.livejournal.com at 03:43pm on 23/08/2006
Hugs for you for being one of those things about dS fandom. Where other than dS would I run into so many exuberant, God-I-love-this-fandom posts?

And how much do I love that you started looking for linguistic markers in dS fanspeak, and quit after \o/ CAPS pretty? Because, really? Those three speak volumes!
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 06:11pm on 23/08/2006
OMG, it feeds on itself! We love the fandom, and then we post about loving the fandom, and then everyone else loves the fandom even MORE! It is a vicious cycle of LOVE!

they totally do!
 
posted by [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_unhurt_/ at 11:41pm on 24/08/2006
how did i miss this post? (oh, wait, sulking with bike tools, i recall).

\o/
CAPS
pretty


and girl/girl icons? most excellent.

(also, if you want pretty pictures of boobs for cropping to icons? suicide girls. have free intro of pretty with about 80 pictures so you don't have to pay.)
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 04:18am on 25/08/2006
Hee! I have fun sometimes.

oooh, thanks for the hot tip! And they are all pierced and lovely, too... *interested*

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