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posted by [personal profile] kalpurna at 04:04pm on 17/11/2006
Hey, I don't know if any of you guys are interested in this, but I've been thinking a lot lately about my ADD, and I thought I'd write down some of what I think about it now just so I'd have a reference later on in life. Also, I love talking to people about ADD, because there are so many misconceptions about it, and I like to share my experiences. Feel free to pimp this post to anyone you like. It's entirely possible that it will be ETAed into the indefinite future, as I gather my thoughts into some form of coherence. So, uhm, come talk to me about ADD!

When I was in the 10th grade, I suddenly hit a kind of wall in terms of academics. All of a sudden, I couldn't get by anymore without doing the homework. I actually had to study for tests. And my reaction to this was to completely shut down; I did no work at all, and my grades started to drop. Now, in my case, the whole thing was complicated by the onset of clinical depression, and I probably wouldn't have reacted as dramatically as I did if it weren't for the mood disorder weirding up my reaction to events. But the trigger for the depression, and the original source of the problem, was my ADD.

ADD in girls often goes undiagnosed for many years, or even forever, because it often doesn't manifest itself along with hyperactivity. Girls with ADD tend more toward staring out the window than running around in circles, and because they aren't disruptive to the class, they don't get taken to a shrink. Instead, 99% of the time, the smart ones coast by on brains, and the not-so-smart ones just get left behind. It's unfortunate, but it's true.

I will never stop being grateful that I hit my personal ADD barrier in high school, instead of in college, where my dad hit his. Because when my grades started to drop? My parents were right there for me. My particular form of ADD is linked to depression, and the way it manifests itself is that I just stop doing anything – stop working, stop living, stop leaving my room. If it had happened in college, I honestly don't think I would have been CAPABLE of getting my shit together. As it is, at least I know what I'm working with.

There was one night I'll remember forever. In order to pick my English electives for the next year, I had to fill out a form and have my parents sign it, which I had done. But the form had been due to the teacher for three weeks, and it was still sitting in my backpack, despite the teacher speaking to me about it multiple times. It was so fucking ridiculous. In understandable frustration, my teacher finally found my mom in the lunchroom (I'm a faculty brat) and told her about it. I got an email around 1:00, telling me that my parents knew about the whole thing. I was utterly miserable for the rest of the day, certain that my parents were going to be furious at me. When I finally got home, my mom was still at work, but my dad was sitting in the living room. I was prickly, and defensive, and about to cry. But instead of yelling at me, my father just got up and put his arms around me and stroked my hair, and told me how worried he was, and how much he loved me. It was – I still can't think about it without getting choked up.

Attention Deficit Disorder is kind of a misleading name, both because people with ADD can often hyperfocus on certain things, and there are also parts of ADD that aren't at all harmful. It's more of an attention regulatory disorder than anything else: people with ADD can't choose what they focus on. The truth is that "ADD" is just a name for a certain type of brain, one that doesn't function ideally in society – square pegs in round holes. Still, I come down pretty firmly on the Pro-medication side of the debate, if only because meds can be a useful tool to help you function practically in this world. I try not to depend on them, but I do use them sometimes.

There's no words I can find to fully describe how horrible ADD can be... the gnawing feeling in your stomach when it's a half-hour before your paper is due and you haven't even started it, the feelings of shame and worthlessness that come from not being able to complete the simplest task. I just feel so lazy sometimes. And yet, there's a really positive side to ADD, too – it makes you a more creative thinker, you get that hyperfocus stuff, people with ADD are often incredibly passionate and talented at certain things. It's just something you've got to live with.

Anyway, that's all I can think of for the moment. Open question and answer session in the commments about ADD – I seriously promise not to get offended! And anonymous commenting is enabled! And hey, what the hell, let's throw my mood disorder into the mix as well. Everything You Always Wanted to Know about Depression and ADD But Were Afraid to Ask.
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posted by [identity profile] strobelighted.livejournal.com at 09:35pm on 17/11/2006
So how did you know that you had ADD? Did you get it diagnosed by a doctor? Does medication really help? I think sometimes doctors are too quick to diagnose a disease in someone so I'm wondering how they can know for certain if someone has ADD or if they just like to stare off into space. I mean, sometimes I daze off in class and start thinking about other things and then come back and realize "Hey, I should be paying attention here," and I also put things off until the last minute all the time. But is that really what ADD is?

Also, I have not seen you in forever and a week. What is happening?
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 09:51pm on 17/11/2006
I did actually get diagnosed by a doctor. I already was going to a shrink because of the depression, and she mentioned a few times that she thought I probably had ADD. But I was pretty hard to convince – I honestly thought that she was overdiagnosing. The thing that eventually convinced me was that she sat me down and we went over the DSM IV diagnostic criteria (http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-ch01.html). It helped me realize that there really was a straightforward, strict set of symptoms that I was manifesting and that ADD is actually a pretty well-defined disorder. If you fit the diagnostic criteria, then you have ADD, and if you don't, you don't. And I did.

Uhm, the reason I've been thinking a lot lately about my ADD is that I haven't been to class in about a week. It's, yeah, it's a problem. NEXT WEEK: I ATTEND CLASS.
 
posted by [identity profile] greyandgrey.livejournal.com at 09:42pm on 17/11/2006
My brother got diagnosed when he was 17. Nobody even realized it might be an issue until he started taking the SATs. He wasn't a great English student, but he usually pulled off Bs, he did well in school and aside from being the usual sullen teenage boy combined with being shy he seemed totally normal. ADD was totally out of left field, because he was very quickly and successfully learning Mandarin - one of if not the hardest languages to learn. Then he got diagnosed, and he got on medicine (the one that starts with an "a" I think), and suddenly he went from shirking his assigned reading to reading Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky for fun. He isn't always medicated, which I think is good. He takes a pill about half an hour before settling down to do work, and then he slips into a zone that I'm almost jealous of. The rest of the time he's just himself.

He definitely has that hyperfocus thing, though. He started his freshman year of college about 3 credits short of an Asian Studies major because he's so passionate about China.

I feel like it's a good thing he got diagnosed so late. There were a lot of kids in highschool who got diagnosed a lot younger, and they were way too dependent on their medicine. I feel like by having to adapt to his problems without the diagnosis he's less, I don't know, controlled by it or something. He's my goofy brother who's turning chinese on me insted of my goofy brother who has ADD. I think it's a good thing that as he was growing up he wasn't hindered by drugs and psycologists telling him how to fix his problems, because he didn't grow up as some drugged out version of himself. He's able to exist in the world without the drugs and without the excuses, which makes him more capable. I wouldn't propose to take his drugs away now- he's very responsible with them and they really do help him with his work. I just hate it when people try to fix kids when they're young insted of letting them hash it out for themselves.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 10:01pm on 17/11/2006
I do know what you mean, and yeah, I think kids shouldn't be medicated that much. There's this particular crunch time, sort of between late middle school and college, where you absolutely have to get up at a certain time and go to school and do your homework and just GET IT DONE. But the older you get (and, to some extent, the younger you are) the more room you have to figure out coping strategies that aren't medication. Not being medicated when I was little meant that I had total freedom to let my brain run all over the place doing its weird-ass things, while there was still wiggle room academically to let me do it. On the other hand, younger kids don't have as much of an ability to compensate. Adult ADD is interesting because so many people who don't even know they have ADD manage to succeed by shaping their lives to fit their brains. My dad, for example, didn't get diagnosed until after I was. Instead, he figured out a way to work from home as a staff writer for a weekly magazine, which allowed him to take breaks and run errands during the day, as well as changing topics every week.

I guess the only thing about medication is that I don't think anyone should have to suffer because of a treatable problem. I use meds the same way your brother does – I take them when I know I have to study, or when I have to concentrate for a certain period of time. But I'm not hyperactive, which throws another whole wrench into the gears in terms of success in work and relationships.

So yeah, weirdly, I think being diagnosed at a certain age is the best thing that can ever happen to you – and being diagnosed earlier than that can be incredibly damaging.
 
posted by [identity profile] bluebrocade.livejournal.com at 11:13pm on 17/11/2006
That was very interesting. I didn't realize that's what ADD was. I, like most people, think of hyperactive children when I here ADD. Thanks for sharing!
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:04am on 18/11/2006
Yeah, see, that was me before my diagnosis! If it wasn't a hyperactive boy, it wasn't ADD. I'm glad you found it interesting!
 
posted by [identity profile] carnadosa.livejournal.com at 12:45am on 18/11/2006
Are there degrees to ADD? I mean, can you have mild ADD? It seems like there should be, most organic kind of things are.

I was diagnosed with mild Dyslexia at the end of second grade, but they said that it was too late to put me in any programs because I already had some kind of coping mechanism and it would mess me up to do so. This ties into my question, I swear. I had to get reading and math tutoring in 4th and 5th grade, but it was more of 'explaining it in a different way until you understand' rather than anything explicitly for Dyslexia.

So, I think what my question really is, are there cases of ADD where it's mild enough or there are already coping mechanisms in place that medication wouldn't be prescribed? Maybe coping strategies instead? Not that I'm anti-medication or anything mind. *pets the inhaler fondly* But Western Culture seems to be all about the pills, and I've know doctors that would prescribe something just to get a patient out of their face when it wasn't necessary...
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:16am on 18/11/2006
Yeah, I think that's the case with most things of the sort – you draw a line somewhere along a spectrum, and say "this is ____, this is not." (As a slasher, I think I'm very inclined toward this view *g*)

Still, I think that people fall into a trap with ADD in particular, where they figure that "having trouble paying attention in Math" is something that belongs on that scale, which is sort of like saying "being sad about your dog dying" is on the same scale as major depression. It may be, in some sense, true, but I don't know how useful it is.

So, just like depression, there are definitely cases where it's borderline, so medication isn't entirely necessary – therapy and some kind of coaching about coping strategies will actually be more helful. But in most cases where there is actually ADD present (as in, the diagnostic criteria are met), using meds, at least at certain times, is going to be helful. (At least, that's my understanding.)

I don't know, I tend to get pretty defensive about the whole medication issue, because so many people are all "BLAH BLAH RITALIN IS BAD KIDS WITH ADD SHOULD SHAPE UP." But then again, I try to only use my meds when I feel like it's necessary, rather than depending on them, and I hope to use them less and less as I get older. So, um, make of that what you will?
 
posted by [identity profile] carnadosa.livejournal.com at 01:23am on 18/11/2006
No, that was useful to see your take on how much of continuum, if you will, ADD seems to be on.

Of course, everyone I know with ADD has so many other issues that this doesn't even come near applying.

At least you picked a good week to ease back in, well, if you're in the states. Thanksgiving! I hope you didn't miss any tests...
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:41am on 18/11/2006
The other issues thing is SO true... I'm not sure if it's because those are the people more likely to get diagnosed, or what, but ADD definitely has all kinds of linked disorders. You can have ADD + depression, ADD + OCD, ADD + anxiety disorders, etc. Buy one, get one free!

uhm, I didn't miss any tests, but I may have not turned in a couple of papers? A little bit? oh god.
 
posted by [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_unhurt_/ at 01:43am on 18/11/2006
There's no words I can find to fully describe how horrible ADD can be... the gnawing feeling in your stomach when it's a half-hour before your paper is due and you haven't even started it, the feelings of shame and worthlessness that come from not being able to complete the simplest task. I just feel so lazy sometimes.

huh. that describes exactly how i function a lot of the time. it's much worse when i'm depressed, but i've never even considered that it might have a name. the kind of paralysis that strikes, even when you know intellectually that you just have to get on and do this thing, and that you can, that is very familiar!

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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 02:07am on 18/11/2006
Well, maybe you should look into it! Even if you don't want to go the medication route, it can be really useful to find out what the hell you're dealing with – that it has a name, and other people have had the same experience. That was the part of people's descriptions of ADD that really rung true with me, as well. There was this book I read that was amazingly helpful... I think it was this one (http://www.amazon.com/Driven-Distraction-Recognizing-Attention-Childhood/dp/0684801280/ref=pd_sim_b_1/002-8277419-0633624)?
 
posted by [identity profile] lovelokest.livejournal.com at 02:23am on 09/12/2006
Another good book is You Mean I'm Not Lazy, Crazy or Stupid!? (http://www.amazon.com/You-Mean-Lazy-Stupid-Crazy/dp/0743264487/sr=1-1/qid=1165630796/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-6576854-0692835?ie=UTF8&s=books) by Kate Kelly and Peggy Ramundo.
 
posted by [identity profile] monroe-nell.livejournal.com at 09:24am on 20/11/2006
...i think I love you a little a lot.

CUz, yes, exactly. (especially second to last paragraph).

Do you know how hard it is to sit there and have to convince someone you are ADD when you can spend HOURS on the computer and I just give up and flail around and sit there going "this this and this means this. I have this this and this stfu" (And I coasted through HS and am now all wow, hi college, you suck")

((and I like telling people I have adhd, but I don't. Tis ADD and me not being able to sit still. EVER. I'm the annoying kid who never stops drumming fingers or tapping their foot or clicking pens))

(The kicker is, the only reason I even got to see the doctor about possibly having it is because BOTH of my parents are "Adults with ADD" thing. Every single one of us kids is add or adhd. *amused* And ritalin or whatever they wanted to use on us kids at one point only works on my mother. My whole 'random' addication to mt dew is because caffiene works for me and hot drinks put me to sleep. So coffee = not good ifen i ever want to sleep.

I was reading on a college level by 4th grade, so it was just assumed that I was fine and I would be the one kid not to end up getting it. Ha.

Er, my mum refuses to really use medications on any of us kids, and I see her point, but. *shrugs* I think the boy needs help coping, but than again, that kid needs anger management since he flares up when frustrated. But he keeps being frustrated because he literally cannot sit still for his classes. The HS switched to block scheduling from 42 minute classes, and well, it's screwing him over a bit.

(((watch me RAMBLE about NOTHING, but I have a MIGRAINE and can't sleep. STUPID dorms)))
 
posted by [identity profile] lovelokest.livejournal.com at 03:02am on 09/12/2006
Hi, I'm really late on the bandwagon, but hi! ([livejournal.com profile] fairestcat linked me here *g*)

I was diagnosed at 13 and prescribed Ritalin. My parents took me to be diagnosed because I was reading at a college level but nearly failing math, I recall going in for multiple sessions and having to play a really boring clicking computer game. In the second grade my parents took me to be tested but the doc said I was "of average intellegence but an over achiever", at 13 it was ADD with above average intelligence. I was diagnosed again at 22 for insurance reasons (again with the annoying computer game! the whole time the doctor kept trying to say that my ADD was depression and self esteem related). I saw a shrink for a while for ADD stuff but ended up telling her more about it than she told me (her son had ADD) and then saw an ADD Life Skills coach who helped more and was a saint (her husband and 2 of her 4 children have ADD of some sort! SAINT!).

13 years later, I still take Ritalin when I need it (actually I need to start taking it regularily again, right now I'm not taking it on a regular basis - my brain feels muddled and it is hard to get motivated to do vital things). The areas of my life that ADD impacts most are organization, concentration, impulsiveness and memory.

The coping skills I use the most are: being absolutely brutal about buying anything, I ask myself "Do I need this?" and then put it back on the shelf, if I remember it later, then I go back and buy it; going to a small school, I went from getting a GPA of 3.75 at a small school to 1.4 at a large school; sitting in the front of the classroom, fewer distractions and the chance to interact more with the prof; going to every single class, less of an opportunity to tell myself "Oh, I won't go this time, I'll be sure to go next time", which I never *do* and I cut myself a lot of slack, if I screw up, I try not to beat myself up about it.

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