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posted by [personal profile] kalpurna at 04:07am on 01/02/2007 under , , ,
I've just spent a productive few hours browsing around the Girl Wonder website, and I'm feeling a little twitchy about women and agency right now, to the point that I just tried to read a John/Rodney fic and had to close the window when there was an implication that *because* Rodney had suffered an accident that made him unable to produce testosterone, he was going to be taken off the team. I don't even know that it was going to a misogyny place, but right now? I'm not in the mood. Also, there had already been a little too much abortion-is-a-big-step rhetoric for my taste. I do recognize that with mpreg, "Why not have an abortion?" is a plot point that needs to be accounted for, but I'm really pretty intensely squicked by certain ways authors approach the problem, including guilt-tripping and heavy narrative consequences.

Anyway: women and agency. I think there's a reason I don't spend all my time with this degree of awareness regarding such issues, and that reason is that I would go insane. I can't imagine getting heavily involved in comics fandom, if only because it would be so difficult for me to ignore the rampant problems they seem to have in that area.

Even SGA is pushing it with me right now. I just, TEYLA. Why doesn't she spend a lot more time kicking ass and taking names, let alone having dialogue and history and motivations and asfajsdfljkj cannot deal. UGH. I don't GET IT.

Why is it so difficult for people (okay, mostly men) to write female characters? Here's a very simplified version: make a male character. Then cut off his dick. And yes, that's not the very best way to do it, but we're going to start with baby steps here. We'll save "understanding what makes women's experience of the world different than men's" for the advanced classes.

What's really getting to me right now is the idea of women characters existing primarily to provide emotional development and motivations for male characters. Also, rape. Rape is bothering me a lot. Especially rape that gets treated like a joke. (See: motherfucking LUCIUS, pages 1-965.) I just. AGENCY. Women who are people who do stuff and feel stuff and are the fucking point in and of themselves. Why is this hard? Why... what? There are lots and lots of women around you every day. Doing things. Being people. Open your fucking eyes.

Also, the male gaze. I don't like it. Oh, hey, and people acting like anger negates your argument, that's pretty lame.

This is the first time in quite a while that my anger at misogyny and sexism is outweighing my anger at heteronormativity! Funny how that is! (OH, fuck you, Firefox spell-checker, for not recognizing the word "heteronormativity." NOT WHAT I NEED RIGHT NOW, THANKS.) That might be because I also recently discovered for the first time that whole wank from a while back about Ginny being a slut, and defined primarily by her sexuality. According to a male reader, at least. THAT was a keeper. I guess you hit a breaking point.

I'd imagine that all members of disempowered groups feel like this sometimes, have this wave of incoherent rage and helplessness rise up within them. I just want to hunt Frank Miller down and claw his face off, you know? (Although that wouldn't be very effective, come to think of it, given that I have short lesbian-nails right now. I guess biting could work.)

Whatever. I guess I'm going to go read some [livejournal.com profile] mina_de_malfois or something.
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posted by [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_unhurt_/ at 12:03pm on 01/02/2007
rats! being at work avec deadlines means i can't write a properly lengthy response and must instead settle for saying:

a. WORD

and

b. people acting like anger negates your argument, that's pretty lame SO MANY WORDS. i notice it doesn't seem to negate men's arguments half so much. *is a harpy*
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 12:21pm on 01/02/2007
Isn't that interesting? *gnashes teeth* I have so many bad memories of boys in high school and middle school saying things just to get me riled up, because it's so FUNNY when women are angry about sexism. Hey, you know what I call people who intentionally provoke others to be upset about the ways in which they're oppressed by their own culture? I call them ASSHOLES.

The best (hah) part was the way my girlfriends would always tell me "not to let them make me mad," as if I were the one who should be changing my behavior.
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posted by [personal profile] fairestcat at 03:36pm on 01/02/2007
As much as I love SGA, I hate hate hate the way they write women. And my last fandom love, Horatio Hornblower, really wasn't much better. I suspect that ties into the way the only two SGA stories I've ever really finished were about female characters.

What pisses me off is that I know there are reasonable, non-misogynistic men out there. I know quite a few of them in my own life, although I'm well aware that my social circle and family are not a representative sample, but that's just the thing. Why is it that the misogynistic assholes are the status quo and the good ones seem to be all at the fringes. And why is it that so many women buy into this shit. You know, I think the misogyny from other women is what pisses me off the most these days. I just want to break something or someone. Although I've got short lesbian nails at the moment too, so I can't help with the whole clawing Frank Miller's face off thing, as much as I might like to.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:43pm on 03/02/2007
Dude, I KNOW. Why are they so bad at that? They're really bad at knowing what women find attractive, too, judging by the way they treat Rodney a lot of the time.

I can't even deal with it when women are misogynistic. It bothers me so much. Why would that ever be OK? I really don't get self-hating Jews, either, but somehow there seem to be very few of those, and TONS of women signing up for misogynistic sexist bullshit every fucking day.
 
posted by [identity profile] mergatrude.livejournal.com at 12:22am on 02/02/2007
I think what probably pisses me off the MOST, is young women saying (eg. in interviews and pop voc stuff) how feminism is irrelevant these days. So it makes me happy to see you foaming at the mouth about this.

That's kind of cock-eyed, I know, but if we don't keep getting angry enough to bitch and fight and claw faces off, then we're going to settle into acceptance.

&hearts
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:48pm on 03/02/2007
I really, really don't understand how women can just not get it. I kind of understand why some guys would buy into it – insecurity, the fact that it's easy to ignore injustice when you're not the victim – but WOMEN? Really? Do you... why? What?

I love that it makes you happy that I'm pissed. Because, hell, there's plenty to get pissed about.

♥ ♥ ♥


 
posted by [identity profile] cimmerians.livejournal.com at 04:20pm on 02/02/2007
::wibble::

That's the sound of my loving you so much my little heart almost snaps in half.

I not only resonate perfectly with your anger, I love it. I wanna buy it a five-star dinner and write it a poem and massage its feet for hours on end.

This would be an appropriate place for me to wax vitriolic about feminism and fandom, but you know what? I can't. I'm too happy right now, just knowing that there's at least one other furious fan out there who knows these things.

...although I will say: I do have a fine set of femme dyke fingernails (sharpened), and I'm not at all afraid to use them :-)

Adoration--
M.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:52pm on 03/02/2007
HEEEEE. It makes me so happy that you love my anger. Wow, I totally feel better about this now, because, hell - if misogynists are going to keep pissing me off, it's really nice to know I'm not the only one out here. Yay!

Also, I would pay cold hard cash to watch you take on Frank Miller with your femme dyke fingernails.

♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
 
posted by [identity profile] cimmerians.livejournal.com at 03:31pm on 03/02/2007
Yes, yes, the loving of angry women is what I'm all about. Well, that and the violent punishment of those who victimize women, children or animals. Oh, and smut, of course, I'm all about the smut :-)

P.S. - I'm going to be in Chicago in late July. Any chance you might be available to meet for lunch? Yes or no is just fine, I just thought I'd ask. I'll be hangin' with a bunch of other fen/feminist/queer/activist folks.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 05:01pm on 04/02/2007
Sounds like a great combination to me. Fangirl family values! :D

Oh noes, this is awful! I'm actually going back to New Jersey for the summer, and I won't be in Chicago by late July. I'd LOVE to meet you, but timing is apparently not my friend today. Aaargh! If you're ever going to be in town September - June, please do let me know, because I would be all over that.

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