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posted by [personal profile] kalpurna at 11:27pm on 05/03/2007 under , ,
Oh, Heroes. I honestly think you must be the best show on television right now. And yet... the incest. Why must there be SO MUCH INCEST, Heroes? It is all over the place, oh my God! SIGH. Supernatural, too! That seems like it must be a good show, and Jared and Jensen are smokin', and I would totally bother with the fingers-over-my-eyes hiding-behind-the-couch thing to deal with the horror (me + scary = non-mixy things), were it not for the incest. I've gotten to the point lately where I frequently find myself directing petulant monologues at people about how I JUST DON'T LIKE INCEST, and yes, I feel like that is a valid lifestyle choice, and no, I couldn't deal with Last Will and Testament, either. I JUST DON'T LIKE IT, YOU GUYS. (At this point most people try and change the subject, often unsuccessfully.)

I think the problem is that I see the incest! My slashy little heart understands the chemistry! But I can't deal with it at all, because it is my hugest squick ever. (Maybe my hugest squick ever is actually, um, poo, or something, but that doesn't seem to come up that often, so we'll just stick with incest for now.) OT3s are something I'm not into, but I think I never really buy into the subtext as much as with incest so it doesn't bother me as much. Whereas with plausible incesty pairings, I just squiiiirm the whole time I'm watching, and Christ, forget reading fanfic. God damn it, awesome writers, actors, and fangirls! Why must you lead where I cannot follow?

P.S. Liking incest is a totally valid lifestyle choice too, I GUESS, JEEZ. But if you're a good writer and you're spending your precious skills on incest that I CAN'T READ, it will still make me sad a little bit in my heart. I'm not mad that people like incest, I'm mad that I don't and so I can't enjoy all the awesome writing that happens over in that neck of the woods. Which is not anyone's fault but GOD'S, that h8ter. Maybe we can still be friends, though? Especially if you write me some porn wherein the participants share minimal DNA? ETA: Share minimal DNA, while still being members of the same species. Oh, my flist, how often I underestimate you. *facepalms*
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posted by [identity profile] shoemaster.livejournal.com at 05:55am on 06/03/2007
Especially if you write me some porn wherein the participants share minimal DNA?

Oh honey, now I want to write you like, Rodney/Paramecium or something.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 05:58am on 06/03/2007
SIIIIIIIGH. I have done this soliloquy at you before, I think. But then I watched Heroes and it was incest-tastic as always (that is NOT A SPOILER because that is EVERY EPISODE), and I just. I really really don't like incest.

If you write me Rodney/Paramecium I will... actually, I cannot predict my reaction! I will either laugh my ass off or shoot you in the face. Do with that information what you will.
 
posted by [identity profile] shoemaster.livejournal.com at 06:05am on 06/03/2007
Only about a bajillion times, but it's okay because if you substitute incest with just about any pairing I don't like, I feel the same way.

You know you'd love it!

P.S. RL friend found your journal in a hunt to figure out what MJ stood for. INSERT ME PANICING.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 06:11am on 06/03/2007
God, maybe I should minimize my journal's inclusion in search results. But that's so annoying, because then you can't search inside the LJ itself! Aaargh, lame.

P.S. Hey guess what Petrelli brothers please step more than six inches away from each other thanks
 
posted by [identity profile] custardpringle.livejournal.com at 06:10am on 06/03/2007
. . . no, really, I'm sorry, Heroes is not the most incest-tastic show on. I really have to disagree with this.

Because The Black Donnellys.

In which there is one canon unrequited het OTP, and otherwise ALL the lead characters are pretty and slashy and BROTHERS. It's worse than SPN, even, because there are twice as many pretty brothers to worry about.

::cries::
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 06:16am on 06/03/2007
Oh, I didn't say Heroes was the MOST incesty around, but it just keeps getting MORE incesty every week (so, fans, you have an OTP? Check this out, it's INCEST NOW HAHAHA) and it's the only show with major incest that I watch. I am so not touching The Black Donnellys with a ten foot pole.

LA LA LA LOOK AT ME IGNORING PRETTY BROTHERS WITH ALL MY MIGHT. *covers eyes*
 
posted by [identity profile] custardpringle.livejournal.com at 06:20am on 06/03/2007
You know you want to watch The Black Donnellys. You know it.

Soon my enabler supplier Todd will make icons and I will stalk you with the pretteh. You cannot resist.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 06:26am on 06/03/2007
Oh, trust me, if there's incest involved, I can.

The only reason I'm still on board with Heroes is that a) there are lots of non-Petrelli plotlines and characters, and a few really pure non-sexual familial relationships and b) I started watching before I knew there would be incest, and now I'm hooked on the plot. Black Donnellys: your charms will never sway me. Witness the fact that I'm still not in SPN fandom, even though I'm in J2 fandom.

Oh, well. Incest, why must I hate you so? I would ask you to be friends, except I hate your face.
 
posted by [identity profile] custardpringle.livejournal.com at 06:27am on 06/03/2007
. . . ok, fine.

::admires your devotion to principles, and wishes she had some::
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 06:33am on 06/03/2007
No, no, trust me, you don't! Principles SUCK. They keep you from enjoying the pretty, and the good fic. Principles are laaame.
 
posted by [identity profile] somewhatdeluded.livejournal.com at 06:37am on 06/03/2007
Awww. *pats you* I--I used to so be there, and now...I don't know! It's like SGA is slowly and systematically dismantling my squicks! I still kind of am totally squicked by incest because EW CREEPY WRONG except for the part where I loved "Last Will and Testament" and it's like so EW CREEPY WRONG that I feel really weird about that! It's like, I love it, I love it so much, and I keep rereading it, and then I have to go take a shower to wash it off of me because EW CREEPY WRONG. I am so conflicted.

Also I think maybe I'm just a bad person because as soon as you said "share minimal DNA" I started thinking about wayhot alien!sex and of course that led me to "Mostly Harmless" (http://www.intimations.org/fanfic/stargate/MostlyHarmless.html) and I'm not sure that's any less wrong at all.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 06:50am on 06/03/2007
See, there are so many legitimate reasons to like Last Will and Testament, though! They weren't brought up together, they're both boys so there will be no inbreeding, the characters and actors they're based on are not related, and they don't even look alike... I get why that would work for people who don't normally like incest! Just, not for me. I kept hoping they'd find out they weren't related, but then they were. SIGH.

OMG, NOT YOU TOO! I am ETAing this post to read "share minimal DNA and are members of the same species," because I clearly failed to consider all the sick fucks on my flist. Rodney/Paramecium indeed. *vbg*
 
posted by [identity profile] somewhatdeluded.livejournal.com at 07:08am on 06/03/2007
tee hee!
 
posted by [identity profile] greyandgrey.livejournal.com at 07:46am on 06/03/2007
OK so here's the thing: I've watched a few supernatural eps (and by the way, am I crazy or was that Ray Kowalski in the second ep?), and even though I'm seeing and totally grovin' the J2 thing, when they're acting they are totally brothers. As in: brothers who are not fucking.

I mean, I see it. Duh, I see it. But it's just not that convincing for me. I think it's because the writers are being a little too obvious with their "playing to the slashers" subtext. The antiquers scene? um yeah, that's not a glaringly obvious nod to wincest or anything.

It doesn't really feel like incest to me because it's kind of become a "FIND THE HOMOEROTIC SUBTEXT" play-at-home game rather than just pure chemistry. So when they're not being overtly gay in a nod to the slashers they actually seem to have a disturbingly normal relationship given their circumstances.

So I guess what all this adds up to is: watch for teh pretty, play along with the J2, but as brothers their relationship is not deranged enough for them to fuck

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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 07:39pm on 06/03/2007
Yeah, it totally was Ray Kowalski. You get ten points in Spot the Canadian! *g*

No, I mean, okay, I get that. I guess it's just that I would always be, like, WANTING to read the fic, but I couldn't, because of incest! And I'm really really not into horror, so I feel like I would be braving my way through watching SPN for the fic, and if there's that whole "I keep noticing the incest slash" thing getting in the way of my enjoyment as WELL as the scary movie thing, it seems like it wouldn't be worth it. To me. I don't know. I don't need another TV show, okay!
 
posted by [identity profile] greyandgrey.livejournal.com at 08:44pm on 06/03/2007
Yay! Points 4 me!

I think I'd get wigged out by what I imagine Supernatural incest to be, which is "2 pretty boys fucking! Who cares that they're brothers, let's make them in love!"

Incest is generally a squick of mine, and in the "let's pretend it's not an issue" sense it's even more of a squick. But I do read squickfic which is there to make you uncomfortable but turned on - like Lolita to the degree of fandom. Because it's all like Compelling Self Exploration! + Fabulously Fucked Up Characters! and in that genre, if you were presented with a happy and in love wincest story there would be this lovely dark undertone making everything seem slightly off and wrong, and that I'd totally read. I just don't want to read the inevitable self-gratification fic featuring incest.

LOL! it's practically finals week, of course you need another TV show! How else are you going to shamelessly put off studying and writing papers?

Watch it, don't watch it, personally I find the red carpet/interview photos of J2 far more interesting. NON-SQUICKY SLASH POTENTIAL, HUZZAH!

(ps re: scary things - you wuss! XP I only squeeled and fell backward on my bed because of the scary like, once per episode....
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 07:34pm on 07/03/2007
Well, I don't know SPN canon at all, so I can't really judge its pairings. And from what I've heard, there are some real, legitimate reasons to slash them together, other than their looks. And yet! I do not care. For it is incest, and lo, it squicks me.

I think I just really have an aversion to dark, squicky-feeling things, no matter what. Even in the context of my socially-unacceptable kinks or lack-of-squicks (for instance, I pretty much never ever care about underage, at all, to any extent), I depend on the fic being basically pretty angst free. It's okay if there's, like, incidental, plot-driven angst, but unless there's a pretty happy ending (or it's a PWP), I'm not really interested. I guess in my heart of hearts, I'm pretty much a happy-fluffy-bunnies-and-love kind of girl. Which, well, there might be worse things to be.

YAY FOR J2. If I could not slash those two boys together in some way, I think I'd cry myself to sleep.

I DO NOT LIKE HORROR MOVIES OKAY. There have been, like, three separate occasions when I was over at Meela's place and her friend said, "Hey, let's watch Scream!" And I said NO. And he said, it's not even that scary! And I said NO THANK YOU PLEASE THANKS. It is a valid lifestyle choice!
 
posted by [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_unhurt_/ at 10:31am on 06/03/2007
Especially if you write me some porn wherein the participants share minimal DNA? ETA: Share minimal DNA, while still being members of the same species. Oh, my flist, how often I underestimate you. *facepalms*

this ETA has made my morning. ehehe!

i feel firefly fandom has the best titled incest pairing, what with their Crazy Space Incest aka CSI. not that incest is a thing i like reading about on the whole. though, okay, the royal tennenbaums constututes an exception to that.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 08:37pm on 06/03/2007
Siiiiigh. Oh, flist: constantly you manage to outweird me. It's kind of awesome. *vbg*

Hee, true enough! I have to say that watching Firefly, I sometimes find myself covering my eyes and yelling at the screen, "NO, Simon! Say no to freaky space incest! Kaylee and Mal and Jayne are ALL HOT: take your pick, and please stop with the naked-sister-hugging and the yearning looks."
 
posted by [identity profile] joandarck.livejournal.com at 02:50am on 07/03/2007
*is validated*

See, I'd rather not see incest in Firefly either, but I totally do, so much, so a few times I've read fic or watched vids (and I have an icon) because I want outside reassurance that other people see it too, because they put it there, and it's not just all in my own sick mind. You know?

Here, just for you, I WON'T use the icon.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 07:18pm on 07/03/2007
God, it's definitely THERE. I have totally had that reaction too, though, where I'm like "Maybe this is just me being a freak, and not being capable of understanding profound, non-sexual relationships!" But, no. No, I'm pretty sure that it's not just me.

*g* Thank you.
 
posted by [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_abulafia/ at 11:32am on 06/03/2007
But it's not as though there's actual incest onscreen, or even implications of incest. I mean, slash fandom will put any attractive men together, whether there's romantic chemistry or not, whether they're related or not, but it's totally possible to read the relationship as innocently brotherly if that's what you're after.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 08:46pm on 06/03/2007
No, I know. It's kind of a combination of that I wish I didn't notice the incesty vibes, because it makes me uncomfortable to think about, and that I wish other people didn't notice the incesty vibes, because then they write lots of fic, and I want to read it, because they're good writers and because I love the show, but I can't. I mean, you can always argue chemistry, certainly, but in the shows I love that have incest ships (Firefly and Heroes), there is definitely (to my eye) an argument to be made from the onscreen interaction. And that makes me squirmy.

The worst part is still not being able to read the fic, though. Hand to god, I once did a find-replace on one of [livejournal.com profile] astolat's SPN fics so I could pretend it was a Jared/Jensen AU. Siigh.
 
posted by [identity profile] entropical87.livejournal.com at 02:42am on 07/03/2007
The only circumstance where I can bring myself to read incest is some kind of thing where they meet in adulthood because hey, apparently wanting to get it on with long-lost relatives is an actual thing according to some article I read and am incapable of finding again. *wins for longest run on sentence EVER* But it'd still have to be really twisted with that uncomfortable you-should-not-find-this-hot feeling. (Sarah Monette's novels Melusine and The Virtu are great examples of incest that works. For me, at least.)

I just - I have a brother? And there's a whole world of gut-reaction NOOOOOOO! with accompanying hands over eyes, rocking back and forth humming to myself that goes along with the entire incest idea.

I sort of feel the same way about RPF, but I'm slowly fighting my way through it. Damned squicks, getting in the way of my porning.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 07:25pm on 07/03/2007
Yeah, I've heard of that – Genetic Sexual Attraction, I think it's called – and yet, the fact that it exists in real life doesn't stop me from squicking the hell out of me.

It's definitely a pretty normal thing to get off a little bit on the squickyness itself, because lots of people do, but I just, I don't at all. I'm not sure that this extends to printed literature, though, for me, because I very much enjoyed Middlesex. Maybe it's just that I don't expect literature to be trying to turn me on? I feel like that's actually one of the flaws of "literature" in general, that it's so careful not to turn its readers on, whether that manifests itself as not including sex scenes at all, or including uncomfortable, bad, unsexy sex scenes (hello, 98% of contemporary novels). Nabokov and DH Lawrence are notable exceptions to this rule, and hey, look at how they got banned all over the place. /random-ass tangent

So my point is, maybe I should try Melusine.
 
posted by [identity profile] entropical87.livejournal.com at 11:48pm on 07/03/2007
I can deal with it if it's a real thing handled in a realistic way. But yeah, the Look! Two Hot Guys! Who Cares If They're Related! school of thinking makes me more than a little vomity. My incest squick doesn't seem like it goes as deep as yours, but I understand where you're coming from.

For what it's worth, [livejournal.com profile] mistful recced Melusine and its sequel back in November. (I'm a little leery of pushing you toward books you might hate, so I'm trying to spread the blame just in case.)
 
posted by [identity profile] greyandgrey.livejournal.com at 10:50pm on 07/03/2007
I'm a total wuss, too. The shock value totally gets me every time and it's so embarrasing *facepalm* I watched Saw with a bunch of my friends, and I screamed out loud more than everyone else combined.

I can handle scary/thriller, though. I scream and then I'm over it. What I really can't handle is gore. Even implied gore gets me - like blood on the wall shots. Also, tension building shots. Those scenes that go on forever that practically shout "something bad will happen very soon, and it will be unpleasant and squicky and horrific and you will watch it! Very soon!"
 
posted by [identity profile] greyandgrey.livejournal.com at 10:52pm on 07/03/2007
Um, PS - I have no idea why that didn't just continue the thread. LJ's being stupid
 
posted by [identity profile] trust-your-lust.livejournal.com at 05:23am on 03/04/2007
I admit that I'm a avid sam/dean shipper, they're just so hot that I can't help it!

But honestly, I tried to be good with heroes! I stayed away from Nathan/Peter. I tried shipping Claire/Peter from when he saved her!!
...And then I read the spoilers. It's attracted to me! I have no say in the matter!!

Also, your moodtheme is so completelytotallyawesome! How did you manage it?
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 05:34am on 03/04/2007
Hee, I do sympathize! Jared and Jensen, why so hot? I end up going to the RPS side of the force on that one, which is an equally huge squick for many people. You just can't win.

OMG I KNOW. Heroes, what are you doing! You took the only other viable ship on your show, and made it incest too! SIGH.

My awesomecakes moodtheme of joy is by [livejournal.com profile] causette, and it can be found right here (http://community.livejournal.com/caugraphics/13101.html#cutid1). I'm not even IN Supernatural fandom, and J2 isn't my main fandom either, but I just couldn't resist this moodtheme. Oh, boys.
 
posted by [identity profile] trust-your-lust.livejournal.com at 05:39am on 03/04/2007
I don't have one major fandom, mainly because I'm a fandom whore and go to whatevers taking my fancy at the time. At this moment is Harry/Draco so I'm reading as much slashy goodness as I can.

I was so depressed when I found out that they were related. Peter only just saved her over here in Aus, so I thought I'd be good and just ship them, but nooo! *hmf* lol.

Thankyou!! Once I learn properly how to upload a custom mood theme (I've tried numerous times and failed abysmally =) i shall use!
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 05:47am on 03/04/2007
*laughs* Oh, god, I'm such a polyfannish whore, you have no idea. My new shiny of the moment is bandslash (http://femmequixotic.livejournal.com/277153.html#cutid1). If they are really cute and kind of gay, I am so there.

I think [livejournal.com profile] causette has instructions in the post, so I do wish you luck. It's wonderful to have little animated boys in your journal all the time! I'm very much enjoying it!
 
posted by [identity profile] trust-your-lust.livejournal.com at 05:52am on 03/04/2007
Oh! bandslash! *is hypnotised by the shiny* I like the sound of that....very much like the sound of that =P it reminds me of lostprophets and my omgtheyaresodoingit!thought process.

Excellent! I hope I manage it, because seriously animated? *orgasms and dies
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 06:04am on 03/04/2007
Ahahaha, all shall be sucked into the gaping maw of bandslash! I recommend stalking [livejournal.com profile] femmequixotic, [livejournal.com profile] seanarenay, and [livejournal.com profile] ficbyzee's journals for lots of links and picspammy goodness. Seriously, it seems like half the fandom has gotten into bandslash within the past three weeks, so now is an EXCELLENT time to be venturing in. Watch the videos! Look at the picspams! And soon, soon, you, like so many of us, will find yourself awake at two AM obsessively rewatching a video of Patrick Stump warming up his voice with showtunes and Usher songs.

Or, uhm, maybe it won't be your thing. That'd be cool too, I guess!
 
posted by [identity profile] trust-your-lust.livejournal.com at 06:26am on 03/04/2007
Bwahaha I think your pimp hat has worked wonders, because I have been convinced! LOL *goes to start stalking* *is actually quite good at it*

I must admit from looking through your userinfo, you have quite good taste in fandoms, so I'll trust your judgement lol =D

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