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posted by [personal profile] kalpurna at 02:28am on 31/05/2007 under , , , , , ,
A couple of notes:
  1. We... win? *tentative Paul Gross arms*

  2. You should still join [livejournal.com profile] fandom_counts, because, well. History does tend to repeat itself. Also, it's fun to watch the member count climb!

  3. My birthday was made of awesome! I had good food with great friends and got an adorable haircut in an interesting neighborhood I'd never been to before. A++ all around. \o/
And now: bandslash content, with extra tinhat action!

Uhm, so I started typing a post sometime last week about my favorite Fall Out Boy songs, and why I love them. I'm not really a music fan, though, honestly, so much as I am a slash fan. So what ended up happening was that I wrote about them as canon resources, rather than as songs. And then I got out the tinfoil. And then I wrote a giant fucking treatise on G.I.N.A.S.F.S. So, uh, instead of my ten favorite songs, you get – my very favorite song! With a buttload of speculation.

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS ALL MADE UP, OKAY, PROBABLY THIS SONG IS ACTUALLY NOT ABOUT PETE AND PATRICK'S BIG GAY LOVE IN THE REAL LIFES, PUT ON THE T-SHIRT MARKED "FICTION." ALSO GO AWAY PETE WENTZ, STOP READING LJ, THANKS.
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The first thing about G.I.N.A.S.F.S. that pings me as a slasher is this: Pete has, canonically, put good songs on a lower publicity track than they might otherwise merit, because they had great personal meaning to him. In today's Q&A confirming that Hum Hallelujah will not be the next single from Infinity on High, he explicitly said that the reason it won't be a single is that it means something special to him.

G.I.N.A.S.F.S. is a great song. I'm a pop fan, I'm an average consumer, I tend to like things that other people like. I've got ordinary taste! And this song? By far my favorite track off the album. This track could absolutely be a hit for them, I don't doubt it for a minute. But somehow, it barely made it to release. It was a bonus track, y'all! The other bonus track is bad! I don't think it's honestly much of a stretch to say that this song may possibly have deep personal meaning to Pete. And it's called GAY IS NOT A SYNONYM FOR SHITTY. Excuse me while I go die.

So with that in mind, let's move on to a line-by-line interpretation of the text!

I've loved everything about you that hurts
So let me see your moves, let me see your moves
Lips pressed close to mine, true blue


I should first say: I think there are two "you"s in this song, at the very least. (Damn you, Pete, and your lack of names and referents!) This is fairly unambiguously, I think, a song about switching one love for another, a destructive one for one that feels like home. It's a song about trading in a bad model of relationships for one that works. So the first "you" in this passage refers to his ex(es), and possibly also to the new love on the horizon – he loves the things about people that hurt him most. The second you, in "Let me see your moves," is the new love, and the lyric is about giving a healthier relationship a chance. With kisses!

But the prince of any failing empire knows that
Everybody wants, everybody wants
To drive on through the night, if it's a drive back home


Okay, fuck this "new love" nonsense, I'm going to put on my tinhat and start saying what we're both thinking: PATRICK IS HIS HOME. Pete wants to do this Big Gay Love thing, even if it's hard, because Patrick is his home, he's what makes him feel okay. He's willing to make the biggest effort for him, because he's worth it.

Things aren't the same anymore
Some nights it gets so bad
I almost pick up the phone


Things have changed since he's figured himself out. He can't pretend life is remotely the way it was when he didn't know he was in love with Patrick, but at the same time, he finds himself wanting to fall back into old habits. The implied you here is an ex who wasn't right for him, and he knows that, but it's hard not to crawl back to the old mode of being. OR, he knows he should be avoiding calling Patrick just to hear his voice, but when he's feeling low, it's hard not to do it anyway. Possibly both meanings could apply simultaneously? He's hovering on the edge of making a stupid move, whatever the case.

Trade baby blues for wide eyed browns
I sleep with your old shirts
And walk through this house in your shoes
I know it's strange
It's a strange way of saying
That I know I'm supposed to love you
I'm supposed to love you


Uhhhhm. First of all, this is pretty queer even if it's about a girl, n'est-ce pa?

There's double entendre here, I think. "Supposed to love you" can be taken in two ways at once – the "you" he's expected to love, and the "you" he's destined to love. He's supposed to be with Patrick, even though it's strange – Patrick isn't who he would have expected to fall for in a million years. But he's supposed to love him. It's fate! Meanwhile, he's also "supposed" to love girls, according to society, but doesn't. Mmm, clever Pete.

Also also, dudes, that buzznet post Pete just made about wearing a sweatshirt that smells like his best friend and makes him feel not lonely. THIS IS OUR CANON.

(I'm not going to get into the "baby blues for wide-eyed browns" thing, because ugh, do not want. Poetic license is too much of a factor here, and I don't even know what color any of their eyes are – does Jeanae have blue eyes? Whatever, I seriously don't care, it's a metaphor. More than one "you," that's all I claim.)

I've already given up on myself twice
Third time is the charm, third time is the charm
Throw caution to the wind, but I've got a lousy arm


He wants to take the plunge and tell Patrick how he feels, but he can't bring himself to do it, and keeps wimping out. And he's emo. (This is not news.) Possibly "given up on myself" is also a reference to two serious, bad exes – Morgan and Jeanae? Who knows. (Also, poss. allow for poetic license with regard to numbers.)

And I've traced your shadows on the wall, now I kiss them
Whenever I'm down, whenever I'm down
Figured on not figuring myself out


Realizing that he's in love with Patrick is something he not only didn't want to do, but actually tried not to do. But thoughts of Patrick are what keep him sane when he's depressed – or, you know, Patrick singing him to sleep, whatever. His heart always comes back to this one place, to his home, and so in the end he couldn't avoid figuring himself out.

Born under a bad sign, you saved my life
That night on the roof of your hotel
"Cross my heart and hope to die, splinter from the headboard in my eye"
Photo-proofed kisses I remember so well


"Photo-proofed kisses," to me, is always going to evoke Mikey Way. It's kind of inevitable, considering how they (allegedly) avoided being photographed together. And "the roof of your hotel" denotes that they were staying in different hotels, so it can't be Patrick. And "you saved my life" is totally an MCR reference, dudes! In conclusion, this verse is about Mikey, I think.

In [livejournal.com profile] kalpurna's world of tinhats, the point of these lines is that Mikey showed him how to have a good relationship, even though it didn't work out with them. He wasn't actively destructive, which was pretty exciting for Pete. Pete was born under a bad sign, had bad luck in love – then finally had a good relationship, and it was with a dude. And when that ended, his eyes were open to see Patrick.

To my mind, G.I.N.A.S.F.S. was titled that because this is a song largely about his big male romance (and his first male romance) and how those were totes better for him than any of his girlfriends ever were. Gay is not a synonym for shitty, because for Pete, gay relationships have been the only ones that were any good. The title is a statement of defiance, and a declaration of intent – screw who he's "supposed" to love, he's going with who he's supposed to love. Uh, if that makes any sense.

UHM. SO THAT WAS A LOT OF SPECULATION. And it was pretty inarticulate, because I'm tres tired, but. What do you all think? Did your mileage vary? Am I pulling this out of my ass? What is the REAL deal with this song?
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posted by [identity profile] moondarri.livejournal.com at 10:16am on 31/05/2007
This was so much win. The song is a gift to slashers and to the fandom. I loved your perfectly accurate interpretation of speculation over the song, and was a most entertaining read.

And though my inner slasher is doing cartwheels over the obvious truth of Pete's Big Gay Love for Patrick, the part of me that is most infuriatingly intent on pointing out that it's all just speculation really wants to know what Pete was thinking when he wrote this.

I mean, the song itself is clearly about self-destructive relationships vs. 'coming home' to something more stable and, in the end, more worthwhile. Which is nice, straight-forward Pete material, really. But give it a title like GINASFS, and suddenly, woah.

Maybe he just went all alternative-point-of-view on us and decided to write a song from a gay man's perspective (THIS IS IGNORING THE FACT THAT WENTZ OBVIOUSLY HAS THE HOTS FOR STUMP) just because. Still, though. It's completely fascinating. Especially as it obviously means so much to him.

Gay supporters FTW. What an awesome guy. :D

So yeah. That was entertaining. xD
 
posted by [identity profile] moondarri.livejournal.com at 10:24am on 31/05/2007
Oh, and yay for good birthdays and haircuts.

And the page won't load for me, but is that page link news on the whole witch-hunt bullshit on questionable LJ interests? I made the rantiest, angriest and most emotionally psycho entry on my LJ just last night concerning the whole thing, and it would be nice to know that something positive has come out of all the indignation, because wow, did I give myself a headache. :D
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 10:38am on 31/05/2007
:D :D

It is indeed. The CEO of Six Apart made a post on [livejournal.com profile] news saying, basically, "Our bad! Let's review those suspensions. We love you, fandom, don't leave." I mean, some people are still being all "TOO LITTLE TOO LATE BITCHEZ," but I'm pretty well satisfied, frankly.

Besides, I really don't want to leave LJ. *clings*
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 10:36am on 31/05/2007
Yay, thanks! I'm glad you liked it! :D

Dude, I have a LOT more trouble figuring out what this song is supposed to mean in the actual lifes than in my slashy interpretation. I mean, ugh, I guess it's about... Ashlee? But I honestly don't think the timing works out for that one. Or, well, when did he start dating her? I don't know, blah, RPS canon is so confusing.

I think we should probably keep in mind that yeah, not all songs are non-fiction, and this might be more about some speculative future "you" than Patrick anyone specific. But on the other hand, Pete writes about his own life much more than many lyricists do. So, uhm. I don't have a clue, is basically what I'm saying here.

On the other hand, no matter who it's about, how much do I love that Pete is apparently ready to look for a non-destructive relationship? LOTS. Oh, Pete, please: no more Bad Dating Decisions! At least Ashlee hasn't, as far as we know, cheated on you. (Twice.) (In the same weekend.)

And re: the title – I KNOW. I mean, GOD, PETE, WHAT IS WITH THAT NOISE. Usually the titles have some sort of marginal relationship to the material, right? They're not, like, picked out of a HAT? Not that I'm complaining! One little song title has never brought so many people so much joy, for serious.
 
posted by [identity profile] farwing.livejournal.com at 11:26am on 31/05/2007
I love your speculation. It fills me with glee. I am going to see FOB today! yay!

not all songs are non-fiction

In my personal experience (I write songs, and sing them to myself, and a lot of my favorite artists write songs that are very clearly fictional- but it's funny, because there are so many artists who write songs which could be true. God, I love music and lyrics that matter.), most songs are totally made up. I mean, the emotions are real, but the content is not. But it's tons of fun to figure them out anyway.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 12:23pm on 31/05/2007
YAY! OMG, I am so excited for my HCT date I could puke. :D

And absolutely, dude. I'm not a composer at all, but I'm a dabbler in poetry, which seems similar. AUTHOR ≠ NARRATOR! Even when it's in first person! *glares into the past at Certain Members of her poetry class*

But wow, I'm having a lot of fun treating the lyrics as canon texts to interpret – even though I know most of what I come up with will be totally off base. It's such an interesting kind of canon to work with, like a combination of poetry analysis and interview interpretation and slash goggles and imagination. Oh, bandom, I love you so! ♥
 
posted by [identity profile] farwing.livejournal.com at 02:19pm on 31/05/2007
(I confess that I merely like FOB, and find them amusing, but I have a really unhealthy degree of love for MCR. But expect to have a blast at the concert this evening regardless.)

And hi! I added you to my flist and I spend a horrifying amount of time reading your friends list for all things bandslash related. So...that sounds creepy and stalker-like. Really, I'm just a huge, harmless dork.

I'm not a composer at all, but I'm a dabbler in poetry, which seems similar. AUTHOR ≠ NARRATOR! Even when it's in first person! *glares into the past at Certain Members of her poetry class*

Yes! See, my favorite musicians are poets- their songs are poetry put to music. Lyrics are the most important thing to me- I'm a very word-obsessed person, and I love music, and I'm not saying I don't listen to music with ridiculous lyrics, but most of the stuff I love beyond reason is poetry set to music. (Like, Thea Gilmore and Richard Thompson are poets and musicians at the same time and I love them for that. Love.)

See, bandom is where songfic makes the most sense to me. The lyrics and music are cannon. I mean, they are what these people do for a living, and sure we're wearing slash goggles, but it's totally a from of poetry, which is always open to interpretation. And I totally miss my college poetry classes like woah.

In conclusion: bandom is love!
 
posted by [identity profile] fayemeadows.livejournal.com at 12:50pm on 31/05/2007
I mean, ugh, I guess it's about... Ashlee? But I honestly don't think the timing works out for that one. Or, well, when did he start dating her?

Okay, this is not a dig to her (because I don't care if Pete dates her I just don't think she should be famous as she is, um, lacking talent) but I highly doubt even if it's about a woman it's about Ashlee. I don't see that as being a long-term thing. If you look at the people Pete gravitates towards, Ashlee appears to be the total opposite. Which, hey, maybe she's all emotional fucked too and they really connect, awesome, whatever, but I don't feel it.

And I love that song too. Although the first time I heard it some of what I *thought* Patrick was saying had me damn near crying with laughter.
 
posted by [identity profile] greyandgrey.livejournal.com at 08:06pm on 31/05/2007
Ok, now I'm really curious about what you thought he was saying.

Is it as good as Jimi Hendrix "'Scuse me while I kiss this guy" screw-up?
(Actual lyrics being "'scuse me while I kiss the sky")
 
posted by [identity profile] fayemeadows.livejournal.com at 03:36pm on 01/06/2007
Hahaha, yeah. Um, I still hear him sing "everyone wants to dry hump through the night" in the first stanza and something about fingering himself later in the song. That song makes me giggle a ridiculous amount.

Although, honestly, it took months for me to understand that the 2nd stanza of "Sugar" wasn't "tell mommy I'm watching youtube from the closet". :D
 
posted by [identity profile] greyandgrey.livejournal.com at 06:30pm on 01/06/2007
ha! that's awesome.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 02:17am on 01/06/2007
Well, on the other hand, she does seem to treat him better and make him happier than a lot of his other exes, so, I don't know. More power to her, I guess. She has good taste in men! :D

Hahahahaha OH PATRICK, please don't ever learn to enunciate, it is much funnier this way.
 
posted by [identity profile] fayemeadows.livejournal.com at 03:33am on 01/06/2007
Yes, the Simpson woman are *fabulous* at finding men who are about a million times more talented than they are. :D

Seriously. Between "dry hump through the night" and something about fingering himself around the third stanza my jaw was on the floor. I thought Pete had lost his everlovin' mind! Patrick! Speak CLEARLY!
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posted by [personal profile] marginaliana at 01:13pm on 31/05/2007
This was a great and plausible read! And eeee, Pete's finding his home in Patrick, god, that punches all my damn buttons.

Do you have tin hats for sale? I think I need to add one to my wardrobe.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:44am on 01/06/2007
Thank you! And oh, dude, I know. That line just kills me. ♥

You can make one in your VERY OWN HOME. All you need is some tinfoil and a lot of delusion!!
 
posted by [identity profile] insunshine.livejournal.com at 01:39pm on 31/05/2007
Pete reads lj?

Also, I love you, because I've done this with this song. Nowhere near as well, or concisely, but I've sat and looked at this song, and come up with really similar conclusions.

You = ftw.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:46am on 01/06/2007
Are you telling me he doesn't? Ugh, he probably has six sockpuppet journals subscribed to [livejournal.com profile] slashatthedisco, I can't even. :D

Yayyy thanks! I'm so glad you don't think I'm crazy enjoyed it!
 
posted by [identity profile] insunshine.livejournal.com at 02:13am on 01/06/2007
I had a theory once that he got off on reading slash. But like, the thought that Pete Wentz has possibly read the things that I've written about him? I can't figure out if it's really hot, or just, you know, frightening.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 02:15am on 01/06/2007
Ugh, it makes me squirmy. That's why I give him an EXTRA-SPECIAL DISCLAIMER on top of my stories and meta! GO AWAY PETE WENTZ YOU ARE MAKING ME UNCOMFORTABLE. All of these boys are waaaaay too internet-literate for my tastes...
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posted by [identity profile] etben.livejournal.com at 04:30pm on 31/05/2007
you are my FAVORITE tinhat, not least because I can totally see you saying all of this, all flaily and fantastic. *squishes*
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:47am on 01/06/2007
Hahahaha, awww, ilu. ♥
 
posted by [identity profile] ceresi.livejournal.com at 06:16pm on 31/05/2007
THIS IS AWESOME YAY. :D I don't have any really intelligent comments to offer because I've never heard G.I.N.A.S.F.S. till . . . whenever it finishes downloading . . . but I basically totally approve of analyzing songs for slash content and then sharing it with everyone. It's like, a little fic to read in your mind WHENEVER YOU HEAR IT, yes!

Also, has anyone analyzed Famous Last Words yet? In addition to being an awesome song (and Gerard, unlike Pete, seems to deliberately release stuff that's personal to him, I wonder why?) there's so much information about it! Like the way Ray was playing his guitar too fast after Mikey left, and Gerard heard him and they sat down and worked on the song for the first time, and the way the other guys left and Gerard wrote and recorded the chorus while they were gone, or the way he broke up with his girlfriend afterwards, or whatever else I haven't read. (Also, I can tell I just spent most of last weekend working on my English portfolio, because there's a little voice in the back of my head going IS THIS MLA OR APA and CITE YOUR SOURCES and ONE PAGE DOWN, THREE TO GO, basically academia will be the death of me.)

Oh my god, this comment is way too long, I'm sorry. Blame the strikethrough, it's turned me into a rambler. :/
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:49am on 01/06/2007
Dude, that is one of my favorite things about bandom, omg! Listening to songs and reading a little slashfic in my mind. It is so much fun. I'm glad you enjoyed it! :D :D

You should totally do it yourself!!! I want to read lots and lots of different theories about ALL the songs by ALL the bands. It's so much fun to explore. I want to read all about Famous Last Words, GO.
 
posted by [identity profile] greyandgrey.livejournal.com at 08:15pm on 31/05/2007
Yay! now I have a version of the song that doesn't randomly cut off half way through!

Oh, boys! I love them so. They really do make it too easy for us. Now I have to go find this buzznet thing you're talking about, because OMBsocute!!

Throw caution to the wind, but I've got a lousy arm
This is my absolute favourite line! I love it so much, I can't even articulate....

Oh PETE.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 01:51am on 01/06/2007
Yay!

It is here (http://www.buzznet.com/web/foe/photos/clandestine/?id=8611891). OH PETE. ♥

I know, dude, I know! I love it so much, just as a line, and then the way Patrick sounds on it just completely kills me.

<3333
 
posted by [identity profile] greyandgrey.livejournal.com at 02:19am on 01/06/2007
How is he so adorable? I do not understand!

I kind of want to make your analysis of this song my personal canon, because it fits so perfectly.

And the way Patrick sounds kills me all too often. Good thing I'm not a cat, because I've died way more than 9 times XP

PS - since you didn't show up to class on Wednesday, you're getting your b-day present late! Prolly Saturday.
(Not that I really blame you - not going to class is an awesome birthday present to yourself \o/)
 
posted by [identity profile] cyanei.livejournal.com at 08:31pm on 31/05/2007
Sorry to, like, come at you out of nowhere, but I'd just like to say that my own interpretation of "trade baby-blues for wide-eyed browns" has always been that it's about Pete giving up medication ("baby-blues" = street slang for Valium, see also: "we sing the blues and swallow them too") and finding clarity in an unmedicated state.

(That said: "It's Hard to Say 'I Do' When I Don't" is not a bad song. It's actually my album favourite, and I think it does the best job of showing the progression from FUCT to IOH, perhaps why they weren't so in love with it. Structurally it's nothing new for them, and is probably a lot like what a song from TTTYG would sound like with slick production. I think that's really interesting from a musical standpoint as far as what kind of influence producers have over the final song vs. artist's vision. Also, I really like the lyrics! :D I think they're the most straight-forward Pete's ever been without being trite.)
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 02:00am on 01/06/2007
Oh my God, that's fascinating, I love that. Oh wow, I never would have thought of that in a million years, but you're so right! I – wow. I think that's the most interesting, and probably right, canon interpretation I've heard. Oooooh. I mean, I love the tinhatty perspective, because hey, I'm a slasher – but I love love love that reading for, you know, something closer to reality. You totally just blew my mind, my friend! Thank you! :D And oh, Pete.

(Hahahaha, dude, you are probably completely right about that, as well. I know nothing about music, and I phrased that poorly. All I really meant was that I, with my average, pop-oriented, unsophisticated taste, didn't like that song – which means that it's a fair bet it wouldn't be a mainstream hit for them. Whereas G.I.N.A.S.F.S. could be, and they still almost didn't put it on the CD. Ugh, I unironically love, like, Kelly Clarkson, don't take anything I say about music seriously. *vbg*)
 
posted by [identity profile] swanswan.livejournal.com at 09:13pm on 31/05/2007
AWESOMES. And I mean that plural.

Can you answer me a question from your vast bandslashy knowledge base: what is fandom opinion on Ashlee Simpson with Pete? I'm maybe writing a goddamn story.

Also, Happy Birthday! And I too got a haircut, so let us revel together in mutual cuteitude.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 02:05am on 01/06/2007
Ahahahahaha ilu.

I really have no idea what the fandom opinion is on Ashlee, frankly, except "she must give good head." But as far as my own personal opinion goes? I think she's probably nicer to him than some of his other girlfriends have been, and judging by the way he smiles when he's around her, she makes him happy. And I think he probably enjoys taking care of her, being the responsible one. There was that line in a recent blogspot update: "im sorry baby. my heart is clumsy. but i love you in a holding your hair back kind of way." I don't really know, just my two cents. :)

Thank you! YAY CUTE HAIR.
 
posted by [identity profile] mumblemutter.livejournal.com at 09:30pm on 31/05/2007
Of course, what makes that so much more fascinating is that PATRICK IS THE ONE SINGING THOSE LYRICS OH MY GOD. (Also, apropos of, misheard lyrics I came across: dry-hump through the night, not fingering myself, kisses on my member. Clearly it's the porn song (not) on the record.)

Anyway! See, I'm pretty sure Patrick has blue eyes? And Ryan's Jeanae's are brown. So I kind of took the trading line to be about Pete leaving Patrick for Ryan Jeanae. :-( :-( :-( Because I'm silly and tinhatty like that! And then I was like, and Patrick has to sing that. :-( :-( :-(

Also, I always thought the same thing about the shoe thing. I mean, seriously. That's pretty gay however you look at it. Not that there's anything wrong with that. :-D
 
posted by [identity profile] mumblemutter.livejournal.com at 09:31pm on 31/05/2007
ALSO SORRY HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 02:13am on 01/06/2007
THANK YOU YAY \o/
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 02:11am on 01/06/2007
Oh man, I know, dude, I know. Every time I think about Patrick singing "Hum Hallelujah" I kind of want to cry. *squishes them both* And hahahaha, oh Patrick, please never learn to pronounce things ever, the hilarious misinterpretations are way too much fun.

But see, I think Patrick might actually have brown eyes! *searches her pictures folder* Yeah. It doesn't quite work out! I got frustrated over that line for quite a while, and then I just decided, screw it, it's poetic license. Although now, I'm inclined to think it's not about eyes at all; see [livejournal.com profile] cyanei's comment above for a really interesting spin on that line.

Hahahahaha I know. OH PETE.
 
posted by [identity profile] fayemeadows.livejournal.com at 03:35am on 01/06/2007
Patrick's eyes are bluey-green. Ahem. Not that...I stare at pictures...um...LOOK OVER THERE OH MY GOD PETE WENTZ IS READING YOUR LJ!!!

[runs away]
 
posted by [identity profile] skoosiepants.livejournal.com at 10:28pm on 31/05/2007
you are awesome for this, because it's so true!
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 02:12am on 01/06/2007
Hooray, thank you! :D :D I'm glad you enjoyed it!
 
posted by [identity profile] silverakira.livejournal.com at 08:23am on 02/06/2007
I cannot put into words how much this post is made of awesome. I mean, I totally flipped out when I found out that G.I.N.A.S.F.S. stood for "Gay Is Not A Synonym For Shitty", but I've always wondered why Pete titled it that, and everything you've written is totally incorporated into my personal canon now. <3
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 12:15pm on 04/06/2007
Ahahaha, ILU. \o/ My tinniest of hats is for them!
 
posted by [identity profile] sweetvalleyslut.livejournal.com at 09:48pm on 02/06/2007
This is my new favorite post ever! Because I love that song so, so much, and I, too, don't really understand why they didn't put it on the actual album. And it's always fun to read the actual lyrics to any FOB song, because I'm all, "that's what they're saying? really?"

Good point about the shoes/shirt lines, those are pretty...yeah. And, if it's *not* about something gay, then why would he title it like that (except to fuck with us, which I guess is also valid)? I would KILL to know what this one is really about. And to know if "Bang the Doldrums" is really about Mikeyway.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 12:18pm on 04/06/2007
Hahaha, I know, right? Oh Patrick, never change! We love your wackjob enunciation! WE ARE ALSO INTO CATS.

I really really wish he would tell us. God, Pete, enough with the cryptic shit! [livejournal.com profile] cyanei has an awes theory above about what it means in the ACTUAL REALITY, though, which you should look at. Fannish theories are superfun, but I love to know the *real* reasons, too.

THAT SAID: if Bang the Doldrums is not about Mikeyway, I will eat my hat.
 
posted by [identity profile] clare-san.livejournal.com at 05:26am on 03/06/2007
*admires your hat* SO SHINY!! \0/ This post fills me with delicious GLEE!

The pulling two separate 'you's' out of it makes a whole lot of sense, on any level. I love it!

The recent buzznet post really made me flash to Ryan Ross on the Panic DVD saying he was wearing girls deodorant because it made him feel less lonely. Also, it's made me stare really hard at any pictures of people wearing said hoodie.
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posted by [identity profile] kalpurna.livejournal.com at 12:21pm on 04/06/2007
IT SPARKLES SO PRETTILY! :D :D

Yay! Thank you!

Hahahahahahaha yeah, me too. I kind of love it when these boys talk about smells, is that weird? Like, that whole segment on LotMS when they're talking about how they smell bad. I just find it kind of, I don't know. They SMELL EACH OTHER for WEEKS ON END, how wonderful is that? I love that! It's so, I don't know, irritating and personal and AWESOME. Patrick and Pete's messiness on tour annoying Andy and Joe pleases me for much the same reason.

/freak
 
posted by [identity profile] astoryandasong.livejournal.com at 03:47am on 07/06/2007
First off, thanks for the download.
Secondly, I kind of love this speculation because hello, gayest song ever? Plus the shirt and the wearing of it? I am going to walk around thinking of it all day.
 
Okay, so you don't know me (this is actually my first lj comment ever!), and I know this is kind of an old post, but I was re-reading stuff I had saved, and I had a thought about this song that I thought I'd share. There is some discussion about the line 'trade baby blues for wide-eyed browns' (and let me say that I really agree with the speculation about the Ativan connection). The lines are:

Things aren't the same anymore
Some nights it gets so bad
I almost pick up the phone

Trade baby blues for wide eyed browns
I sleep with your old shirts
And walk through this house in your shoes
I know it's strange
It's a strange way of saying
That I know I'm supposed to love you
I'm supposed to love you

Which is a little confusing, with the fact that Patrick's eyes are blue, and we certainly don't want to take this to mean that he's trading in Patrick for someone else. But, if you change the break between the sections, to:

Things aren't the same anymore
Some nights it gets so bad
I almost pick up the phone
Trade baby blues for wide eyed browns

I sleep with your old shirts
And walk through this house in your shoes
I know it's strange
It's a strange way of saying
That I know I'm supposed to love you
I'm supposed to love you

That's only a simple change, but if you ignore way Patrick sings the lines in the song (the longer pause that matches the first set of lyrics), it totally makes sense! As you said, some nights it gets so bad that Pete almost falls back into old (bad) habits and calls his ex. If he did that, he would be trading baby blues (Patrick) for wide-eyed browns (the ex). Instead, he gets through it by sleeping with Patricks old shirts, etc.

Anyway, just thought I'd share.
 
posted by [identity profile] shadowcat15.livejournal.com at 08:54pm on 28/10/2007
I've always thought this song was about Pete and Patrick. I never made the Mikey connection, but it makes complete sense. Also I've never read the lyrics before, and never listened to them that close, but WOW! Listening to them again (and again) now, I can't think of them any other way than your description.

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